Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

My hatred for the Democratic party grows each day. How can anyone with an ounce of morals support this party? What they're trying to do with Kavanaugh is disgraceful. Hopefully people will see this and vote them all out in November.

 

Given your political beliefs, it's not surprising that you view Jewish people as "subhuman", history won't be kind to Nazis like you.

 

Shapiro didn't vote for Trump

 

This is also true, Shapiro was a #NeverTrump guy and has come out and admitted that he didn't vote for him....but said that he might in 2020

 

Subhuman says the propaganda bot.

 

Very similar to the Microsoft chatbot Tay, it's clear that NewRoxFan has become a Nazi, but at least it took longer for it to happen than the Microsoft bot. Time to shut him down and try to figure out what went wrong.

 

The real excitement is going to start when the Republicans hold on to the Senate and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies in the next year or so and Amy Coney Barrett is picked to replace her.

 

I kinda wish democrats on committee did a bit more "grandstanding" of their own at the end - were they trying to sway women's vote by being tame or did they actually feel guilty about something?

 

Maybe. Just as likely BK is an entitled fragile brat. Both are probable, but one of these flawed people will be affecting our lives for the next quarter century, w wrath in his heart. Yea!

 

It’s the biggest question of 2019 that needs to be answered quick. When is it time to come to the conclusion that there are no longer moderate independents in the US, and when do we risk losing everything by not fighting fire with fire?

Michael Avenatti being the biggest test case. I have to ask why the Dems aren’t wrapping their arms around the guy yet. Yes ... he’s a p*rn star lawyer but he’s proven affective. Him and his tactics aren’t embraced because of the notion there are “moderates” and most people still prefer decency and politeness above their own agenda.

I personally long for the boring statesman politicians of yesterday. But at what point is enough enough? Not sure about the answer to that yet.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/27/politics/kavanaugh-american-bar-association/index.html

American Bar Association calls on judiciary committee to halt Kavanaugh vote until FBI Investigation is done

 

I think we are saying the same thing. Maybe I made a wrong assumption about LGBT rights, but I don't really think so. I think the fear is there as well.

 

Amusing to me that Kavenaugh thinks this disgraceful performance has permanently damaged the country but he thought the president should be asked publicly "did you shove a cigar into Mrs. Lewinsky's vagina?"

 

If you look back at the politics in the 1800's/early 1900's, they were apparently horrific. So, I'm not sure if they are historically worse, but they sure do seem worse than what I remember in my lifetime.

I hope that if Democrats want a bulldog, they get one with some amount of integrity. I know lawyers some what like Avenatti (I have never met Avenatti so I can't say I really know what he is like... but all appearances), and I hate dealing with them.

Avenatti appears to care about one thing: himself. I'm sure y'all have, but if you do even minor google research on him, you find that he is immersed in so many legal troubles of his own.

Not the kind of legal troubles you would expect from a defender of virtue; instead, they appear to be just allegations of him stealing from colleagues, evading taxes, taxes.

I think I read that 54mm of case proceeds (including Stormy) have now been tied up by an injunction to pay off a colleague that he apparently ripped off to the tune of 15mm, settled for 10mm and then breached his settlement.

My hope for this country is that we quit identifying with a "team" and quit elevating scumbags based on that identification. That applies to both parties.

If you want Avenatti to be the face of the Democratic party, you are either desperate or have done zero research.

He might fight Trump punch for punch but we won't end up with a better president.

Our only choice is to get behind someone that is decent and that may not check all of our self-interest boxes, but that has some credibility and integrity.

 

I re-read my post and I didn't mean to be harsh with you when is said desperate or zero research. I get that we all have different opinions.

I was too aggressive. I believe what I have said about Avenatti, but i have no doubt about the sincerity of your own opinions. Sorry.

 

I’m certainly not arguing for Avennatti 2020. I do think he’s a self serving scumbag. But his tactics have been affective up to this point.

I’m just simply asking the question about when do you have to punch back instead of “go high when they go low”?

You watched today I’m sure. Kavanaugh wins this nomination in the end by simply pounding the table and yelling the loudest because he’s smart enough to know the Trump right hates “liberals” so much that if you direct the vitriol towards them, they’ll have your back. They want blood. You can do anything ... brag about sexual assault even.... as long as you fight with and demean people like me. Don’t believe me.... try to reason with Bobby or Texx on anything.

What do you realistically do in this case? I just really don’t know at this point and can’t help but feel like true decency in this changing democracy is truly done with.

 

Reasonable people don't have a problem reasoning with me....unreasonable extremists tend to struggle though.

 

I actually think that the Republicans went out their way to treat Ford with respect. So much so that Mitchell is being criticized for being ineffective (there was a lot of low hanging fruit left untouched).

the first part of the day was 5 minutes of nothing but disjointed and respectful questions followed by what one might call grandstanding by the Democrats.

It may have been the plan of the Republicans from the beginning: try and preserve the women who vote for them, see how Kavanaugh does and then and only then attack the process - which was severely flawed.

If that was actually planned, it was a heck of a strategy. Mitchell treated Ford with respect. The R's treated her with respect.

And then, odd as it may be, the theme became the Dem's gamed the entire process and subjected Ford to extreme abuse through their callous treatment of her.

I can't explain it. I don't know if it was planned. (I know Mitchell was ineffectual and it appeared purposeful because there were plenty of holes that could have been explore but it would have been viewed as an attack on Ford.)

But, as I watched it, I was shocked by the emotional turn-around that could take place without actually attacking Ford.

I think most viewers will see what they want to see from today. I saw the oddest legal strategy or maybe luck take place that seemed to turn the momentum of the hearing.

Did I think Kavanaugh answered all of the questions? No. Did I think he could have if was willing to simply explain why he thought an FBI delay was unwarranted, yes.

Do I have any idea who was telling the truth: no. I give the calendars a random 3/10 in persuasiveness. (Do I think he would document the event: no). Do I think the complete lack of corroborating witnesses of the party to be persuasive: yes. But Judge may be impaired.

But my personal view: I think the Republicans won that hearing. Don't know if it was right. But I went from thinking the Dem's completely outplayed the R's to thinking that the R's had a long view strategy that included an ineffectual Mitchell to help them with Kavanaugh and the elections.

 

That's a reasonable interpretation of what happened. Even though the prosecutor was almost completely ineffective, she did pretty much get Ford to admit to lying about the fear of flying simply to manipulate the process....and she got her to admit that without looking like she was attacking her at all.

Then when Kavanaugh took the stand, he showed up intense and taking no prisoners but still making an emotional case for himself....causing the Democrats to go over the top hostile which set up Graham for the knockout punch. The hearing might as well have stopped there. The damage was done.