Works on the trade machine... Rockets get - Jimmy Butler (starting SF) and sign Jamal Crawford (new 6th man; friend of CP3 & Butler). Minnesota gets - Eric Gordon (starting SG), PJ Tucker (solid defensive vet), Kosta Koufos (expiring), Zhou Qi (cheap prospect), and Rox 2nd round pick. Sacramento gets - Gorgui Dieng and Rox 2019 first round pick (they said they want 1st round picks to take on salary) Rockets lineup... CP3 (top 15 player) Harden (top 5 player) Butler (top 15 player) Melo (22nd all time NBA scorer) Capela (top 2 defensive center) Bench unit... Knight (career 15ppg)/MCW Crawford (career 15ppg) Green (career 10ppg)/Caboclo Ennis/Clark Chriss/Nene/Hartenstein I'm just saying.....
i'm dramatic bc you're not very bright and continue to make the same asinine assertions like losing tucker = no championship. we had tucker last year and we didn't win a title. if he's so irreplaceable on a championship caliber team then why didn't we win it last year?? if he's such an irreplaceable piece to a championship team then why has he been a part of exactly ZERO title-winning teams? i'll tell you why - bc he isn't. he's a fan-favorite and a grinder but he's a ROLE PLAYER. nothing more. you seem stuck on this insane notion that just with the simple act of losing tucker, nvm the fact that we'd be replacing him w a player that is significantly better in every possible way, that we simply can't win a title. i don't think butler is a "championship-level" player, i think butler + harden + cp3 + capela + melo + filler is a "championship-level" team much moreso than one of harden + cp3 + melo + capela + EG + tucker. i think that. morey thinks that. most rational people would think that. repeat this out loud over and over again - we are replacing tucker with butler. let that be your mantra. keep repeating it until you understand it. hope that helps.
I dont understand this list at all.... I'd be willing to give up Qi way before a 1st round pick... and picks further out are always less desirable than sooner... a 2019 1st rd pick is far more attractive than a 2021 1st rd pick... i understand if you're equating it with a collapse down the road and the pick being higher - but that aint how the value typically works...
Horrible argument, no stats. Really just a way for you to undervalue Tucker. If you didnt see how important he was in the GS series idk what to tell you.
Think of it this way: If a Butler of significantly diminished value cannot even be guaranteed to the Rockets by offering Gordon AND Tucker, then we are probably not undervaluing our players. The way people talk about the inclusion of Tucker, you would think it would guarantee the transaction. You have to understand that even with that package, we're just one of the teams vying for Butler. The other way to look at it is: there is no other team in the NBA other than possibly Boston whom Butler could propel to a title, and we certainly have the shortest window among the Warriors, Celtics, Sixers and eventually (once they sign someone else) the Lakers. We should be willing to take on more risk than those teams. This team with players this age will not look so promising next summer, and it will be expensive regardless.
Yeah, I read that too. If this Butler deal is getting done, I hope Crawford is still unsigned. He makes perfect sense for us. He wont see much playing time in Boston. They are deep.
Might get a bit messy chemistry wise (for what that's worth), but if Gordon and Tucker go in a potential Butler trade, would Miami bite on a Knight for James Johnson trade? Would you guys have an issue with it? Because the way Knight is talked about on here you'd think he was a make or brake player...
I disagree on Qi. He's signed to 3 more years at a rock bottom price and is improving. The improving part is big, as it demonstrates that he's not fully formed as a player yet. Let's just see...what you're comparing is a late late 1st with a big upside prospect that is improving. Again...I think he has more value than what many fans assume. He's a prototype 4/5 for the modern NBA. In the Rockets case, I disagree that farther out 1st round picks are worth less than more recent ones. We have a vet team that is in contention mode..barring injury our pick will be no better than #27. By 2021, CP3 will be in his late 30s and Harden may have requested a trade. We may very well be in the lottery. Think Brooklyn....which would be worth more: the pick in the year immediately after the trade or the picks in later years? Also think about that Miami pick that the 76ers currently have. In general, I think teams are getting smarter about what real value is. Zhou has value. Picks in later years have value.
To my understanding, both would have to be deals independent of a Butler trade, unless it was straight Knight + picks for Butler (unlikely). Otherwise, I don't believe either could be involved in a Butler deal, even if they were going to a 3rd team (until late October). I don't think Knight has positive value. That's not to say he can't be a contributor, but with 2 years $30 million left on his contract, plus his injury history, most teams will see him as a net negative. Chriss' value is probably equivalent to a 2nd round pick in the 30s. I think we can raise that if he earns time as our backup center and performs, but right now I doubt its much higher than that. Keep in mind that Ryno is probably valued less around the league than Knight, and we had to trade Melton to swap them...so Melton (drafted in the mid-40s but whose stock has undoubtedly risen) has more value than Chriss.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...mors-twolves-asked-for-ben-simmons-from-76ers "Jimmy Butler Trade Rumors: T'Wolves Asked for Ben Simmons from 76ers" Hmmm... I think Thibs is handicapped
It's the typical clutchfana emotional attachment. We didn't want to trade Bev for a superior player, now it's happening again. We over value Dan Langhi, Bostjan Nachbar, Othella Harrington, Kenny Thomas, Roddick Rhoades etc. Y'all said the same thing about Beverly, we see how that turned out . Just sayin
BS: I think we're hearing the same things about why it hasn't happened. ... Tom Thibodeau is realizing he sees the end of the road. This is probably his last season as coach/GM. He doesn't want to trade Butler because Butler helps him do better & possibly save his job. He doesn't want to trade him unless it's an incredible deal. 29 other teams are saying why give up 100 cents on the dollar? KOC: Impression I've got 15-20 teams have made an offer. Some aren't anything worthwhile. Others are "maybe this is acceptable, maybe there is something to work with here." People wonder how serious Minnesota is about making a deal. I've heard from a handful of sources, Philly for example, their initial offer, the counter offer was we need Ben Simmons. It's things like that, is this actually for real? There's frustration across the league trying to figure out the actual price. It seems to be too significant. On Sunday, there was noise about Miami. BS: We were texting about that for a week. I thought he was going to Miami. KOC: Me too. I thought it would have be done by now. BS: Seems like that's not happening. KOC: No. The difficulty there is finding a 3rd team & appropriate price for Gorgui Dieng's contract. BS: They'll never really have the cap space to sign a big name. I thought they'd figure it out. Use Whiteside, take Dieng back, ... KOC: I don't think Minnesota wants Whiteside. BS: I'd take him at this point. KOC: I wouldn't. BS: It's 2 years, not 3. Then I get Bam & Winslow. KOC: And you also get Whiteside. BS: But only for 2 years. I'm losing in this trade no matter what. I'm losing Jimmy Butler. KOC: Thibs has clearly declined some acceptable offers or offers you can work/negotiate with but you can't blame him for saying no to some things out there. I've heard the Nets won't even put Caris LeVert on the table. ... BS: Here's my dream trade that makes a lot of sense: Gallinari, Bev's expiring contract, Jerome Robinson, Sindarius Thornwell - Clippers take back Butler & Dieng. If the Clippers do that, that's a fair amount to give up for a guy who could walk but it also keeps their cap space. They dump Gallinari($21M), taking on Dieng($15M, extra year), still gives them enough to get Kawhi too. You're turning Gallinari into Butler. KOC: Clippers can offer youth with veterans. That's the type of package Minnesota should be seeking. Thing is, I've also heard the Clippers aren't willing to put either of their first round picks(Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jerome Robinson) out there. BS: I've heard that as well. I understand SGA. ... I like that trade for Minnesota. We've joked about it but if Gallinari can stay healthy, he's a good basketball player. He fits in with their team a little better than some other names I've heard. That's the best fake trade. I was on the trade machine for hours. The wildcard trade that will never happen but we have to mention: I have no info on this, just pure trade machine speculation, 100% will not happen so don't turn this into a blog post weirdos on the internet. If Minnesota called the Celtics and said Hayward for Butler. KOC: Boston would say no. BS: They would say no because trading Hayward would give them even worse karma than trading Isaiah Thomas did? They would have a meeting about it. KOC: Celtics front office would. BS: Minnesota would say Butler/Dieng for Hayward. They'd say no. Butler & expirings for Hayward, straight up. KOC: Hayward is locked up & Butler is a free agent. BS: Hayward has 3 years left coming off a major injury. Hayward is the X-factor on this team. I think this is the best 9-man rotation they've had since 1986. KOC: It's a stacked team. BS: It's a stacked team. They're bringing in dudes who have started Conference Finals games & produced. ... Coming off the bench: Morris, Baynes, Rozier, Smart - they are reliable bench guys. Not to mention all the shooting & lineups they have. The X-factor is Hayward & whether he can stay healthy. I thought his ankle would be 100% from like May. They're now saying he can finally dunk off his left leg. ****, it's mid-September!
