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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Provide the actual transcript, or video, not paraphrasing, lol.

    As the consensus concurs - just watch any channel, follow twitter, whatever... including Fox mind you - to the extent where Ford appears evasive or contradictory it's easy to put down as a person that doesn't really want to be there, sharing her traumatic story among millions watching, where if she is on a "side", it has to be the Democracts since the Republicans are basically calling her a liar, etc.

    Which is why an actual transcript or full video segment is relevant.
     
  3. mick fry

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    Kavanaugh defense- “b**** be crazy!”
     
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    Yeah.... no Ben.

    If Republicans lose, it will be because there are now 4 women that claim that he assaulted them. At least 3 of those women grew up around BK or attended school with him. Further you have a best friend of BK being accused by his ex wife of doing the very thing that Ford accused BK and the best friend of doing.

    There seems to be this lost understanding of circumstantial evidence. This isn't a criminal trial, but as a side note people are convicted all the time with circumstantial evidence.

    We will see what happens.
     
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    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    So is this the run down of events over the last few weeks?

    • Trump nominates a right leaning, but pretty level headed constitutional judge to the Supreme Court (duh)
    • Democrats panic as this will mean a right leaning Supreme Court for generations
    • Feinstein receives a letter about an alleged assault from over 30 years ago by a high school boy at a party
    • Sits on letter for six weeks until the last minute in hopes of delaying confirmation until after November election for the 30% chance Dems take back the Senate
    • Senate judiciary committee now has the impossible task of trying to figure out an allegation that is almost 4 decades old by a extremely intelligent, yet extremely liberal woman whose own education should inform her about the dangers of memories that are over 30 years old
    • There is 0 evidence or corroboration of the allegations
    • 6 FBI background checks have been completed
    • Dr. Ford is an intelligent woman that obviously plays well in front of cameras
    • Republicans can't grill her about lack of evidence due to the fact that they'll come off looking like victim hating monsters

    I have to say, bravo Dems. This could not have gone better so far for the Dems. They have proven a couple of things:

    You need zero evidence to accuse anybody of anything from over 30 years ago.

    Things you might or might not have done in high school can smear you later in life.

    Nobody should ever want to go into politics for any reason ever again because all it takes is unsubstantiated allegations from high school to derail the entire political process (doesn't that scare anybody???)

    Possible end results:

    Highly unlikely (hail Mary play): Dems win, Kavenaugh is not confirmed, Dems take back Senate, hold up Supreme court nominee for 2 years hoping they win the Presidency. Nominate a left leaning judge with a Dem controlled Senate.

    Still very unlikely: Dems win, Kavenaugh not confirmed, Dems take Senate, a Centrist is nominated and confirmed.

    Possible: Kavenaugh not confirmed, Trump appoints a much more conservative judge that will actively try to do the things Dems fear (knock down Roe, etc.) Republicans hold Senate (2/3rds odds) Dems lose even worse than before.

    Most likely: Despite being a compelling person, still no evidence of wrong doing, vote happens, Kavenaugh still in Supreme Court.
     
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    The whole thing about GOP coming to her to interview is not plausible. She made it clear that she didn't want to stand in front of a moving train. So she wanted a potential redemption for herself and what GOP offered was obviously not that.
     
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    When have you taken a polygraph before??

    Lol.

    I'm not taking sides on truthfulness.

    I do think nitpicking things like this does very little for anyone trying to argue anything. The consensus seems to be the GOP and Republican hired prosecutor on the whole did basically nothing to further their cause here and that Dr. Ford came off very credibly. That's my view, but that's neither her or there, cause it's also the consensus view.

    The relevant part, which bobby has mentioned many times and is relevant and should basically be the only thing really being discussed... there's no evidence of this and the other people there (at that house) haven't backed her in any way. That doesn't make her a liar, but it certainly doesn't make her truthful either. That's all that's relevant, imo.
     
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    As a Kavanaugh's friend, Judge has likely a lot of dirt on him. Those GOP Senators are not stupid enough to open a Pandora box on their nominee.

    If I was really trying to find out the truth, Mark Judge would be the first person I would ask questions.
     
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    If you didn't watch and you don't believe it occurred the way I said it did then you do the leg work of tracking down a transcript. That said, if you didn't watch, your excuses for her actions pretty much kill your credibility. Find out what actually happened, then give your BS excuses.
     
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    So who is Trump gonna nominate next? What are the betting odds there?
     
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    BK's shifting narrative.

    from
    my high school life revolved around sports, church, study and helping the community;
    i was not there at those parties
    to
    (after 2 more detailed accusations and statements by his college roommate)

    i sometime drank too much, in hi school, and did things that make me cringe now;
    Dr. Ford could have been assaulted, but it wasn't by me​
     
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    I did watch. I'm asking for the actual video instead of your paraphrasing. If you can't figure out why that's relevant that's on you.
     
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    That's not really accurate, you aren't looking for the truth, you are desperately hoping that you can find something, anything to support her allegations and that's why you'd go that route. If you were merely looking for the truth.....well you'd probably be swayed by the fact that literally everyone who was supposed to have been involved, including her friends, deny it.
     
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    Judge Jeanine, you did it to yourselves Dems. :eek:
     
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    If you watched, then you'd have heard it take place, let me guess your memory works like Ford's in that you can't remember anything other than what you want to remember even if it happened just a few minutes ago.....
     
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    At least you aren't biased, LOL. I added some comments above.

    Testimony is evidence, for better and for worse. You need at least that evidence to accuse anyone of anything.

    I shouldn't assume this witness is telling the truth. And you should not assume that she isn't. Period.

    There aren't that many woman who would throw their good life and their family's peace of mind on a political bonfire like this just to influence the SCOTUS. But that's not to say it can't happen.

    When Graham (if he really said this) suggests they'll dig up a bunch of false witnesses next time Dems nominate someone, he needs to check himself. Women willing to become sexual suicide bombers with false accusations are probably not that easy to find.

    Personally, the witness is credible. She's traumatized by something and not lying about the trauma. That's my sense, and I could be wrong. Does she have his identity wrong? Is she mistaken about some of the details? Is it possible she was sure it was Kavanaugh but it was some other guy? That's possible, if unlikely.
     
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    Yes, my memory works like Ford's and every human on the planet. In other words, its not photographic.
    If yours is, then without looking tell me what your post was 25 posts ago!?!?!?!

    Lol.

    You're being purposefully obtuse... for absolutely no reason. I am happy to look at the actual, word by word transcript or a video of this specific line of questioning (which is barely talked about by anyone in the post hearing analysis.... pointing to how important it was), and to AGREE WITH YOU. But I'm not agreeing with your paraphrasing.
     
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    I tried googling "mark judge ex-wife" but only got the ex-girlfriend in the results.. You meant the girlfriend?
    The circumstantial evidence makes it convincing for me too.
    I have yet to hear anyone credible (a close friend or a wife) speak to Kavanaugh's character. Was there anyone of that sort? And no, Trump's testimony to peoples' character doesn't count. He thinks Kim Jung Ung is the best.
     
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    I'm guessing he would nominate a woman. But, I'm not convinced the Republicans will do the right thing and vote no on Kavanaugh.
     

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