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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Well, it's been asked and the obvious answer is that GOP plays winner-take-all, no rules politics. And the cases are not similar in that Kav would wait a month and Garland waited the better part of a year.
     
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    There are like 100 other conservative judges they could swap out Kavanaugh for. I know he’s not conservative but I’m sure Trump could get Hardiman through after the elections with little issues.
     
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    Any minute now, Kavanaugh's lawyers will release his polygraph.
     
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    Yup, he will release it at the same time Trump releases his tax return.
     
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    Harry Reid got rid of the rule not republicans.

    Here is McConnell warning Reid that he will regret doing it. Spoiler Alert: he did.


    Because Garland wasn't supported by the Senate. They could of voted but it would of been a waste of time. He wouldn't of passed. Most Republicans don't agree with his interpretation of the law. Same way every Democrat doesn't agree with Gorsuch or Kavanaugh's interpretation of the law.
     
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    I think at this point, kavanaugh should be writing his withdrawal speech before more info comes out and trump and supporters lose all martyr opportunity...
     
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    Not true... Reid excluded Supreme Court and legislation. mcconnell is responsble...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/21/harry-reid-nuclear-senate/3662445/
     
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    This is why the whole Kavanuagh thing was/is a risk, as I tried to mention before.

    They should have dropped him the moment they heard about it only because of the risk he presents.

    1.) Is there a chance he gets impeached even if they push him through? That would be a monumental failure on their part. The chance is slim, sure, but further investigation could bite them...or exonerate them. Still, is it worth the risk? It'd be like putting up your house on a bet.

    2.) Even if you push him through all you've done is stood by a man that may have sexually harassed women. This is why the truth is important because this won't help women voters. If you can exonerate him then you must know that will take time...time, if you're the GOP, you may not have depending on the mid-term results. They should withdraw him immediately and move on and try to pick a more moderate judge.

    3.) All these people that want them to then just suggest a FURTHER right wing nominee...remember...it only takes two votes to block such a nominee. The reason Kavanaugh had a good shot at it is because his views on abortion were/are vague enough for Collins and Murkowski to play dumb about it.

    There's a lot of politics behind the accusation but that doesn't invalidate them entirely.
     
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    This position is dumb, Harry Reid created the nuclear option. Your argument that he used it only for a lower level judges instead of a supreme court judge (because he never needed to) is splitting hairs. Its called the Harry Reid nuclear option. He invented it. In fact here is talking about using his nuclear option for supreme court justices:

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ha...s-scotus-in-2017-dems-should-go-nuclear-again

    He thought they would win the senate and presidency. he was wrong. He thought he would get to use the nuclear option that he created for a supreme court justice. Basically Reid says you are wrong and that he is the brilliant mastermind who changed the rules of the Senate
     
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    If you looked at the final voting for Trump, Republican women voted for him despite him saying grab them by the p***y. Republican women voting patterns seem like they condone this behavior.
     
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    Uhhh. Independent women more favorable of 45 now. LOL.
     
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    Reid change affected cabinet appointments and lower court judges, necessitated by the GOPs constant obstructionism
    It was McConnell who changed the requirement for SCOTUS appointment

    Personally think all Judiciary appointments should require 2/3 to keep the court as impartial as possible and there should be a timeline in the laws on the process. Once the judiciary is politicized, democracy will die soon after.
    The GOP had declared they would not consider any nominee even before Garland was nominated. It was never about Garland but about the GOP's desperation to hold on to the SCOTUS.
     
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    There are now more independent women in favor of 45 and disapprove of him, there are less undecided.
     
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    I have a sense that he has the same obstinacy of Roy Moore and Trump himself. I expect him to join the court and destroy the public's faith in that organization. Every time he makes a ruling we will all stare at his little perv smirk and be reminded of the criminal at the head of the justice system.

    He will be a festering carbuncle on the ass of America long after Trump is dead and buried - Trumps little delayed release Tide Pod of Trumpian dischord slowly destroying faith in public institutions.
     
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    Harry Reid disagrees with you. As stated above.
     
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    Other than this, and despite the avatar, Ottomaton is having a great day! :D
     
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    I agree with your point re: requiring more than a simple majority. 60% requires the Executive Branch to nominate someone palatable to enough of the other party (assuming there isn't some huge disparity in the Senate) that it protects all of us from the extremes. Reid beginning (and bragging about) the change was bad. McConnell following through was bad as well.
     
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    Jeff Flake speaks ...

     
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