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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. MojoMan

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    Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.

    — Senate Judiciary (@senjudiciary) September 20, 2018

    The only person who has refused to testify under penalty of perjury at this point is the accuser, Christine Ford.
     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    Big difference between giving a written statement and testifying and responding to direct questions. Which is probably why Judge has refused to testify while Ford has agreed (with conditions).
     
  3. MojoMan

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    The FBI investigation is already over, because they looked at the letter and correctly determined that there is literally no evidence to support an investigation, and from a criminal perspective they do not have jurisdiction over this matter in any case.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    Ford does not get to dictate conditions, the Senate Judiciary Committee does. As you know very well, Ford has not testified and has not agreed to testify, nor does she have any intention of ever testifying. Watch and see.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    That has nothing to do with my post. Only one party involved wants the FBI involved. If I was falsely accused of a crime, I would be happy to have the FBI investigate and help to clear my name.
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Ford has requested (LOL at your winger "dictated") certain conditions that to me seem very reasonable. Judge has outright refused to testify (talk about "dictating").

    btw, the fact that kavanaugh friend had Ford's name before it was released to the public and then whelan engaged his political smear group makes Ford's concerns and requests seem reasonable. Perhaps that is why grassley agreed to give her more time.
     
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    Perhaps. It depends on how far they go to figure out the unknowns. If you are investigating something that the accuser can't even tell you the year, or the place....do you spend a lot of time trying to figure those out? Or do you just interview those she said was there (which is already happening, and they all have no recollection of these events occurring), point out the huge lack of any tangible evidence this occurred, and call it good? Because figuring out what actually happened with such little information could take a very long time, as you first have to figure out the real starting places (where and when).

    I think Ford does probably truly believe this happened. Ed Whelan, looking at public records, put together a reasonable hypothesis that seems to bridge the gap between Ford's accusation and Kavanaugh's denial (although he now regrets it, as he named a potential person who then becomes the one who might actually have done this), which basically makes a credible case for mistaken identity. The point is, given the almost total lack of any corroborating evidence (and, at this point, you could take 'almost' out of that sentence)...there is absolutely a reasonable doubt. Just the simple fact that this was a party, Ford was likely drunk herself (and/or high on other things), that her memory is so extremely vague on details...this alone creates reasonable doubt. While treating her story as credible is important...facts matter also. We don't want to go down the path (which the Dems seem to be advocating), that simply being accused makes one guilty. That is a horrible path to proceed down. And there aren't many facts supporting this claim.

    Here is perhaps one of the most reasoned analysis of the situation and facts so far.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    If they had anything substantive to go on, it would be a criminal investigation, not some political BS attempting to be forced on the FBI. I'm not sure if you're aware, but FBI investigations typically take a very long time....so your guess that it would just take a few days is....well it's a very bad guess.

    That depends on how much of an ate up partisan you are. There are many people who think that the Kavanaugh confirmation will kill people and end civilization as we know it. Also, there's no scenario where she's not a hero to the left and given her occupation that means she's a hero to nearly any possible employer.....so she's really risking nothing.

    It's not just a matter of her not remembering where it happened, she also doesn't remember when it happened. In fact, she remembers almost nothing other than how it was Kavanaugh that did it....Your attempt to go to bat for completely baseless allegations is commendable from a partisan point of view, but it's ultimately futile.
     
  9. MojoMan

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    The FBI does not work to "clear people's names". They work to investigate certain criminal actions that fall within the mandate assigned to them under federal law. As you know very well, this doesn't fall within the FBI's criminal mandate. It is a local matter.

    As far as the background check angle, the FBI reviewed the letter (as redacted by Senator Feinstein) and forwarded it to the Senate Judiciary committee. Senator Feinstein is still refusing to release the unredacted letter to the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

    In any case, the Senate Judiciary Committee has jurisdiction over this as far as Judge Kavanaugh's nomination and the Maryland local authorities have jurisdiction regarding any proposed criminal investigation. Ford knows this and has still not filed charges locally, even though there is apparently no statute of limitations on this. Nor will she, because she does not have even the most rudimentary information about this charge to file the charges with.
     
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    According to this theory, It is credible for men to tell this woman who they don't know that she doesn't know who sexually assaulted her? That is insulting to women. I would not call that a credible theory.

    Geez! I think a woman would remember who tried to assault her. It is ridiculous for men to tell that to a woman who may have been attacked.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    That is a flat-out lie. Judge has testified, on the record.

    Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.

    — Senate Judiciary (@senjudiciary) September 20, 2018

    The only person who has refused to testify under penalty of perjury at this point is the accuser, Christine Ford.
     
  12. NewRoxFan

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    Again, that is a written statement... he is not testifying, in front of people that can ask him direct questions, or redirected questions. You do understand the difference, don't you?
     
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    When investigations are done, they are not typically done for the television cameras. They are conducted by investigators who ask questions and take statements.

    If you want to continue to lie through your teeth and insist that Mark Judge has not given testimony on the record with regards to this when you know very well that he has, then you are a brazen, shameless liar, and not one thing more. I don't know what else to say to you about that, other than tell you that you should stop lying.
     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    Again, he gave a written statement. I don't know why you have such a problem with this concept. He did not face senators, he didn't respond to questions from the senators. Why do you think he refuses to do so?
     
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    He's not the one making the accusations....he's just responding to them by saying he has no recollection of the event and nothing to add.
     
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    Because he's smart.... Why would he want to be caught up in this even more? He probably threatened to take the 5th and said I will give a written statement. It's bad enough his name is out there. That is still not as bad as having to be on national television where his testimony will live forever, and half the country will hate him if he goes either way with his testimony.

    If you want to roll with the taking the 5th makes you guilty argument then I guess Loretta Lynch is guilty too.
     
  18. MojoMan

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    As you know very well, Mark Judge has not been asked or invited to testify on camera before the entire Senate Judiciary Committee. Instead, the SJC investigators questioned him and took his statement under penalty of perjury, as was deemed to be appropriate for this matter.

    The only person who has not testified and who has refused to testify is the accuser, Christine Ford. And you know this now, so don't you dare lie and pretend that you do not know it.
     
  19. Amiga

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    I don’t know about these things but questions that pop up are who are the staff, what’s the statement, who could enforce it, who would enforce it?
     
  20. NewRoxFan

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    Again, has Judge agreed to testify in front of the Senate subcommittee?

    Brett Kavanaugh's friend Mark Judge declines to testify about alleged sexual assault
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lines-testify-alleged-sex-assault/1350537002/

    Now, the question to whether Ms. Ford will testify? Her reasonable requests (again, keeping in mind her name was leaked, that she has received death threats):
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...ord-brett-kavanaugh-hearing-deadline-extended
     

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