Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

I think it is fair to have an opinion going in to the hearing (if it happens) based on how this played out. Folks are doing it on both sides -- including trying to assert that the assault claim is more believable based upon Jugde's writing about high school binge drinking and a Bart kavavaugh who threw up.

 

you should absolutely stick to NPR. It is one of the most unbiased sources there is in news. They cover both sides of almost every single issue they cover. They also cover many issues that MSM won't cover at all.

 

As an aside,because I have doubts re: Ford's credibility, I find BK's testimony regarding not having access to confidential papers of the democrats more interesting but that apparently wasn't getting any traction.

 

Oh, I agree about people's having an opinion going into the hearing. What I find amazing is that many people who support Kavanagh are basically admitting that it probably happened. See the comments of Republicans talking about how that since it happened so long ago and wasn't a successful rape, it wasn't a big deal and other statements like that.

We can talk about the bias of people who think that she would confuse the aggressor as someone else and push that as a possibility have an obviously misguided perspective going into the trial that she should take every precaution necessary to ensure that she has a fair hearing.

 

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of "boys will be boys either". I admit my gut might be wrong, but I continue to feel like the timing of all of this makes it suspicious. But I get your point that if Ford is telling the truth, walking into an attack on a national stage would make her want to protect herself as much as possible.

Entire thing is a cluster and I don't think we will ever know the truth.

 

Maybe, but that seems like too much work to arrive at. The whole Whelan/PR firm half baked idea was odd to say the least. If they really wanted to smear Ford all they had to do was virally leak the yearbook from when she was in high school. Drinking, partying, promiscuity, and racism are all wonderfully highlighted in those yearbooks. There was even a line in the yearbook about how Ford was so drunk that she was trying to convince her friend that the garage was moving lol. Who knows maybe they are the ones behind it getting out there.

Anyhow, I know we are talking about Trump and he doesn't always do things that make sense, but he could have just as easily nominated someone else for the Court rather than nominating Kav as some kind of promise to Kennedy and then torpedoing Kav. I know Trump loves a circus and ratings and this is certainly all that, but it also makes him look bad by picking a guy that couldn't get confirmed and it takes away attention from Trump himself which he loves more than anything else. Granted, I did think it was odd how quiet Trump had been and then he came out lobbing bombs on Twitter today which pissed off Sen. Collins. It was almost like he was trying too hard to piss women off lol.

Time will tell if we ever find out what happened, but I still feel the Dems or her attorneys leaking it is a simpler path to follow especially since Seidman is a part of Ford's team now. Anyhow, let the circus continue!

 

Oh the truth is most likely he is guilty of attempted rate, and he will most likely still be appointed to the SCOTUS

 

Ford's behavior is and has been of someone who is not concerned about being sexually touched at a party once in high school but rather about derailing the appointment of a Supreme Court nominee who she and her political party - that she very closely associates and identifies with - is opposed to.

And now she is playing blatantly manipulative P.R. games with the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has made extraordinary efforts to accommodate her coming in to testify, and still she refuses to testify. All of the witnesses she has named have testified under oath to the Judiciary Committee and they ALL refute her unsworn story. There is literally zero evidence to support her claims. None.

She is not a trustworthy person and she is working with the Democrats to try to obstruct the confirmation process for a Supreme Court Judge. There is no need to play the fool about what she is up to now. We can all see it with our own eyes. Enough is enough.

 

One thing that is odd about this ordeal. Is that one party wants the FBI to investigate and they will be able to find out if the case has any credibility or not. There is only one side pushing for this. The other is trying to make sure that doesn't happen.

If either side's goal is to find the truth there is no reason to not want the FBI to investigate. There is no time limit on confirmation hearings so there should be no worry about having to vote before a certain time.

 

She has asked for an FBI investigation. If she was trying to delay only that wouldn't happen. If the FBI investigated it would be over. They would investigate and find either enough to condemn Kavanagh or not. The delay tactics would be over and something as close to the truth as possible would come out.

 

I just heard that a press aide for GOP on Kavanagh just resigned because accusations against him of sexual harassment have been made public. The person was connected with Chuck Grassley.

 

An FBI investigation could take months....and by then, you're right, it could be "over" for Kagvanaugh if the Democrats win the senate. That's literally the only reason why they were pushing that BS.

 

An FBI investigation could be over in days. And by then you would have a legal framework conducted by actual legal professionals which would help shine a light on the truth of the situation.

All I know is that if I was making up an accusation, I would not want the FBI to investigate it. I would not be requesting that.

 

Sure, it "could" be, or it could take months. Since they have basically nothing to go on, an in depth investigation would take a really long time trying to track down when and where the incident allegedly took place since the "victim" doesn't remember. The way it's over in days is if they just reject the whole thing for being baseless.....ya know, since it really is baseless but if you want to try to investigate a baseless allegation, ti can take a really long time.

If you were making up an allegation, and a win for you would be a delay of the nomination for a month or two, you'd ABSOLUTELY want an FBI investigation. Hell even a delay of a few weeks could put the nomination in jeopardy. We're talking about an investigation that no level of law enforcement would agree to with as little to go on as she's bringing to the table, keep that in mind. If it wasn't a baseless allegation, there would be a local criminal investigation since we're talking about a crime with no statue of limitations.

 

You don't know what they might already have. Your guess that it could take months is just that... your guess.

A win for me would not be delaying the nomination of a Supreme Court nominee if I'm receiving death threats and the investigation I ask for shows that I was dishonest and ruins me, my life, my reputation, and future employment opportunities. It is possible that she is willing to have her life threatened as has happened, ruin her name, reputation, and employment opportunities in order to hope that the investigation would take so long and the Democrats who are not favored to take back the Senate somehow take back the Senate and Kavanagh doesn't get confirmed. She might be willing to do that, but I think it isn't really plausible.

The whole point that keeps getting brought up about her not remembering the exact location is a red herring. Obviously, the other witness who says he was there might know where he was. The GOP doesn't want him to testify or hear from him anymore. He has referenced the incident so he might well know where they were. The FBI could talk to him. That wouldn't take months.