Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Bro, intermittent fasting

 

What part of their opinion isn't credible? Let's start with their involvement in just this case......... they have now spread the known lie about the accusers family and BK's mother....... then they followed that up by spreading the garbage put out by Whelan about the accuser identifying the wrong person that was trying to gang rape her?

When someone is that dishonest, they do are not credible on the issue.

Shame on you.

 

ok, shame on me

 

You are intellectually dishonest.

You knew damn well that the source already had spread the two largest lies thus far concerning the accuser and yet you went with it.

 

Attaboy! That's my Trump!

 

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You don't have to look too hard to realize it's a pretty lame site when their news events lists the IRS Scandal and The War on the Koch Brothers.

 

guess I should stick to Rachel Maddow and NPR

 

It would be the equivalent of posting something from Maddow or HuffPo to me. But who knows even a stopped watch is right twice a day.

 

No, you should be intellectually honest...... like not posting a site that you know already has in mere days pushed two obviously false stories on the same topic.

You certainly shouldn't follow up and play stupid, asking how the site isn't credible. You are well read, you know damn well how why it lacks credibility, and if you didn't know, I told you why in the same post...... yet your response is a weak version of "well I guess I should stick to Maddow and NPR"...... which is just further proof of your dishonesty.

 

people are certainly ornery with the ad hominem attacks this morning. I recommend breakfast.

okay, I'll nibble. give me the "two obviously false stories on the same topic." perhaps I missed them.

 

NewRoxFan how do you feel about Ford's attorney Debra Katz? Do you think her defenses of Bill Clinton and trashing of Paula Jones still holds true today? The Clinton accusation seems to be a fair bit worse considering context and actions than this accusation against Kavanaugh. But it does hold the similarity that it was a one time thing that supposedly happened pretty quickly.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...at-donor-and-has-trashed-paula-jones-n2519525

But, readers should remember that Katz treated Paula Jones' accusations of sexual harassment against President Bill Clinton very differently in the 1990s. According to court documents, Jones claimed that then-Arkansas governor Bill Clinton summoned her to his hotel room where she was working as a receptionist. While in the room he "unexpectedly reached over to (her), took her hand, and pulled her toward him, so that their bodies were close to each other." She backed away, but he pursued, saying, 'I love the way your hair flows down your back' and 'I love your curves. He then "put his hand on her leg, started sliding it toward her pelvic area, and bent down to attempt to kiss her on the neck, all without her consent.' Jones claimed she said, "What are you doing?" and had to escape to a nearby sofa where she attempted to distract the governor by talking about his wife.

However, when she was sitting on the sofa, Clinton came close to her and "lowered his trousers and underwear, exposed his penis (which was erect) and told (her) to 'kiss it.'" Jones then attempted to leave but the governor said, "'Well, I don't want to make you do anything you don't want to do,' and then pulled up his pants and said, 'If you get in trouble for leaving work, have Dave call me immediately and I'll take care of it.' She left the room (the door of which was not locked), the governor 'detained' her momentarily, 'looked sternly' at her, and said, 'You are smart. Let's keep this between ourselves,'" according to court documents.

Jones claims she initially kept the incident to herself for fear of workplace retribution since Clinton knew her boss. Katz dismissed Jones' assertions on March 30th,1998 on CNN's "Talkback Live" saying that, "Paula Jones' suit is very, very, very weak. She's alleged one incident that took place in a hotel room that, by her own testimony, lasted 10 to 12 minutes. She suffered no repercussions in the workplace."

Likewise, Katz again said on CBS' Evening News on April 2nd, 1998 that Jones' allegation could not hold up in court because, "Clearly a one-time incident that took place in 10 to 12 minutes, she was not forced to have sex, she left on her own volition, the courts increasingly are finding that that is not enough to create a sexually hostile work environment claim."

Katz continued to argue throughout the 90s that because Jones could not show that the harassment was "severe and pervasive," she did not have a case. In 1998, Katz told the media that, "If a woman came to me with a similar fact pattern, that is someone in the company above her propositioned her but only once and she suffered no tangible job detriment. I would probably tell her that I'm sorry, it's unfair, but you don't have a case.’ Katz said that courts have generally held that a one-time proposition does not constitute harassment. If it's one time, it has to be severe, almost a sexual assault, not just a touching of somebody's breast or buttocks or even forceful kissing."

Jones has since maintained her incident with Bill Clinton left her traumatized and demoralized. The president was forced to settle for $850,000.

Yet, Katz continued to dismiss certain episodes of sexual misconduct throughout the years. Fast forward to 2017 and Katz defended then Sen. Al Franken after a photo appeared of him mock groping a female colleague while working as a comedian. At the time Katz said, "Context is relevant. He did not do this as a member of the U.S. Senate. He did this in his capacity of someone who was still functioning as an entertainer," and dismissed concern it was sexual harassment.

 

The FBI is in the executive branch and take their orders from the POTUS. The POTUS could have ordered the FBI to investigate the allegation as part of its background check on Kavanaugh, but choose not to. Of course this would not a story involving Trump, if Trump did not lie his ass of about it.

 

I listed them several times already.

They ran with the accuser having a bias against Kavanaugh because of a foreclosure..... then they followed it up with the claims of Whelan and mistaken identity..... the foreclosure story has been debunked, and even Whelan has come out and issued an apology.

I get it, we all make mistakes and I have made my fair share and have had to correct myself. It was the way you went about it...... you could have said "I didn't realize that" but instead you went with the BS of saying you should only post left leaning sites.

I don't care if it is conservative or liberal, if it is known to not be credible, it does not really help anyone other than those that want dishonesty.

 

NPR is very good. They do a pretty thorough job of covering stories.

 

actually I agree with this. still pretty overwhelmingly left-leaning, but fair

 

Nook, I'm sorry and no offense, I don't follow every last word of everyone else's posts. If you've got the links where they've done that, fine, share those again. I agree the foreclosure story had no legs. Very little of ANY of this story so far has any legs, that's why I've pretty much stayed out of this thread since the Ford accusation occurred. People are talking about things that they have NO knowledge about.