Texas Cop Who Fatally Shot Man After Entering Wrong Apartment Identified

That makes zero sense since you indeed asked what happened and used death as a measuring stick. The man did what he did because he knew my son had no voice and thought he was subhuman so his feelings did not matter. Does that sound similar to racism? Keep telling me how I can't relate because I'm white.....

Own your nonsense, man.

 

Dude, I'm done. I'm not going to go in to what Trayvon could have done to change the outcome that day. The aftermath of the incident is not something I want to go in here and now but rest assured it wasn't pleasant and ignorant stuff was said to us many times....

Well if that's how the majority of black people feel, I'm not sure what the public antagonizing of officers is going to do to help matters. Seems like the answer would be for more black people to become police officers and change the culture.

 

Sounds like you're just as afraid of cops as small minded racists are of black people. Not surprised. If the cop was black would that even make a difference?

 

I posted the stats for this and why this is the case but people won't listen because they don't want to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-proof/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.924b0733df33

Is chocked full of data on how our criminal justice system treats black people and all of our experiences and experiences of family members and people we know is just flat out ignored and thrown to the side.

Every action has a reaction and when that action is years and years of mistreatment what do you expect? Many black people don't trust the police, it's not something that just happened randomly.

 

You think that action/reaction has gone just one way?

 

So do black cops become racists against black folks? If so, why do you think that is?

 

That's all true. Now, what makes you think that the people in power will change things? If the people that receive the most benefit from this system are also in control of this system, why whould they change it? Do you think you're going to shame them into changing? Are you going to make them feel sorry for minorities? I think someone like pgabriel understands this so he puts the onus on blacks to change themselves because no one else will change things for them. I wish people would stop dismissing his POV because I really think it deserves some thought and on a selfish level I would really like to read a respectable conversation about it.

I don't trust snakes, so I ain't going to give them the slightest reason to bite me. I know that's harsh because these snakes sometimes seek out people to bite, but I figure if I stay away and don't draw their attention I'm most likely going to avoid them.

 

Well, I've posted a pretty good article on it. I really challenge people to read it.

As for it going one way, there are always two sides to every story, the issue here is though that the police and criminal justice system is supposed to serve the people, they are servants of the people, paid by the people, that's who they serve.

A black person cussing out a cop during a traffic stop shouldn't mean that the cop gets to drag that person out of the car and do whatever they want to them.

I understand it's a hard job, well, that means we should do that much more to make sure that people are then qualified for the job.

The civil rights movement? The people in power had more power then.

Honestly, I just want black people to get the same benefit of the doubt that other people get. I'm not asking for the police to pull over white people more. Just hey, if you see a black person driving a nice car in a nice neighborhood don't assume they are a drug dealer, I feel like this isn't that hard to ask.

The issue with his POV is there is nothing behind it. Black people change what about themselves? What should we be changing about ourselves?

I don't like the analogy because it compares people to animals...but let's roll with it, I know plenty about animals, I know plenty about snakes.

Most snakes are harmless besides the flesh wound they can give you...but this is something they normally don't want to give you. Sure, if you step on one it'll bite you because you stepped on it...and if you poke and prod it you may get a bite out of it, otherwise, it is often just as scared of you as you are of it.

 

So, it isn't the academic studies, people's personal experience with racism, investigations by the Department of Justice showing racism, the experiences of associates, family members and other people known with racism, it's just biased media coverage? That's the only reason.

 

This isn't at all the same thing. There was no way to deny that Civil Rights were necessary and the leaders back then were real leaders. Today, there is more than enough plausible deniability on their side, and today's "leaders" are, IMO, ignorant, opportunists, and self-aggrandizers.

Why do you care what police think about law-abiding well-off black people? They could assume what they want, but if they ain't riding dirty, what could they do besides hate?

If you're asking, you must not be listening to what he's saying. If I ain't misunderstanding him, he believes that the root of the issue is broken black homes and he either ignores, mistakingly denies, or doesn't care about the branches that are largely discussed when discussing issues affecting black Americans.

Pretend I said rattlesnake or just understand that I was being metaphorical. Point was, that I don't give police a reason to even notice me much less mess with me and so far none of them have - at least not without reason.

 

I said it was the main reason false flags were believable as most people don't dig deeper than what the television tells them to think. Even with all the things you mentioned with cases like Bland and Brown it was painfully obvious to anyone with an open mind that those were both bullshit.

I actually started that post to you without finishing it. Then a little while later I clicked on the post where I made my farewell to Jay Google not realizing the remnants of my abandoned post to you were there.

 

It is hilarious that you keep bringing up Brown and not listening when people say that the case might be a false flag but there 10s more that are real.

Did you know that the Department of Justice investigated Ferguson? They found that the police there routinely violated the civil rights of people based on their race. They said that the police department there routinely violated the first, fourth, and fourteenth amendments. So the one case of Brown was not an example, but the everyday routine actions of the police in that town were an example. Those routine happenings by the police department at large are much more numerous and common than the singular Brown case. Furthermore, they found that the bias went beyond the police department to also include the courts of Ferguson.

So if we examine why people were willing to believe the Brown case was a case of racial police practices even when it wasn't, there was actually reason for them to believe that.

Yet, you keep trotting that out as proof that people are just following the false flags.

 

Well you asked how could I expect people to give up power and my example is that people had more power then and gave it up.

While you may think the leaders back then were real leaders, back then people didn't think of them as leaders. They thought of them as disruptive people that were asking for too much. MLK Jr and all these people became heroes after they died.

They can do a lot of things since they hold a certain amount of power.

And what about the not well-off black people? What about them?

I think the police should just do their jobs and treat people equally and that we should have checks and balances in place to ensure that, is that so hard to ask?

Well he doesn't really go on much about it, he just says 'Culture' or whatever but I don't know what that really means.

As for black homes, I wonder how many black homes are broken by the stats I've shown? Of blacks being incorrectly imprisoned for example?

If someone's dad was thrown in jail for a murder he didn't do then whose the blame for that broken home?

Yeah, I get it but that's just you, the numbers say something different.

The thing is though, do you believe republican senator Tim Scott gives the cops any reason to pull him over? Yet they do. Yet he thinks it is an issue.

It's the police job to be fair and to abide by the law. Let's hold them up to higher standards. Just because they have a hard job doesn't excuse bad behavior.

 

I have read a lot of the posts in this thread (admittedly not all). And Granville, you certainly make your points well and I tend to agree with some of your positions.

I am sorry about your son, and can't claim to have any idea how that would feel.

It appears your viewpoint from that tragedy was that you blamed the individual and not the race (or profession, or whatever). So, I think I get your argument that as a society we should look at the specific facts and the individual and not generalize to a bigger and perhaps false conclusion.

I was going to say that I am not comparing the bias (whether obvious or hidden) that some people might have to individuals with autism to those biases people may have with respect to race (or religion, country, tribe, whatever).

BUT, other parents in the same position might look at the body builder situation differently than you did. That guy didn't care about your son's condition and (unlike the other professionals you dealt with at the school) revealed his prejudice.

I interpret RR and JG's posts as being empathetic but also pointing out that they feel like blacks deal with this same prejudice overtly on a consistent basis. I'm not attacking police officers or minimizing the stress/pressures/fear of their jobs.

But, your experiences may lead you to a different conclusion on fault and generalizing, but I would also think it would lead you to being open minded on the pain of being victimized by prejudice or having a loved one victimized.

Long way of saying: I was reading your posts and thought they were very thoughtful. You might consider whether you have gotten locked in to your position rather than discussing/debating it. And frankly, JayGoogle is one of the last posters I would ever block given his willingness to engage in discussion irrespective of how badly he might disagree with the other side.

Off my soapbox.

 

I honestly don't think there is anything else I can add. I think you summed it up as well as it could be summed up.

I didn't mention anything about his kid, I don't understand it because I'm not in his position but I respect his POV and political differences aside he seems like a good dude

 

I don't have time and quite frankly I am tired of this discussion so I won't go back go point to point on the report. Let's just say it was 100% accurate and say they should fire and prosecute every mofo there.

Vigilante justice is wrong and should not be excused. That was one of the ugliest scenes in US History and no matter what you think folks needed to wait until the investigation was done to protest. The decision to exonerate Wilson was the correct one. The facts lined up with the Officer's account yet people still were hell bent on destruction. We needed strong leadership to stand up to the vigilante mob. We got leaders trying to save face with their political base. Two officers were later killed in an ambush in that area.

We get this nutless response from our President.

"Speaking at the annual Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, Mr. Obama said the death of Michael Brown “awakened our nation” to a reality that black citizens already understood."

The only thing citizens of Ferguson understood is they wanted vigilante justice without due process and if they didn't get it they were going to commit crimes all over town. There were witnesses supporting Officer Wilson who were afraid to come forward because they didn't want to be assaulted by the mob. Instead we got pacifying a vengeance not justice seeking mob. It was probably the biggest case built on damn lies and intimidation and no they did it first isn't an excuse.

Appreciate the debate, spent to much time on the sidetrack part of this. Good night.