Texas Cop Who Fatally Shot Man After Entering Wrong Apartment Identified

Please tell which facts and/or testimony (besides Zimmerman's claim which cannot be taken as truth given his vested interest and I already pointed out where said testimony doesnt fit the other known facts ) that contradicts my supposition that Zimmerman continued after martin, tried to accost him, they got into a physical struggle, Martin got the upper hand, and Zimmerman shot him?

No one (besides GZ) witnessed the start of fight. The eyewitness saw only the latter part of the struggle and couldnt validate the claims made by Zimmerman about what Martin said, bringing more doubt to Zimmerman's dubious statement to the police

 

Zimmerman's account is literally the only eyewitness, and the fact support his version of events. Again, I know you don't like that, but your fan fiction isn't equally valid as eyewitness testimony supported by evidence. Cry your eyes out about that, but that's just how it works killer. The dipshit you are attempting to defend was on record talking about how he loved to fight and so unless you have some eyewitness testimony or conclusive evidence that it wasn't just a moron who loved to fight picking a fight with the wrong person then STFU. Your fan fiction does not contribute to the conversation in any way.

 

The facts do not support it.

There is nothing in support of his claim that Martin came after him, but all the available facts from the dispatch transcript (detailed in earlier post)and the GF's testimony contradicts his statements but rather point to Zimmerman following Martin and being the aggressor.

Below is the path by both guys and there is nothing to show that Martin at any point followed Zimmerman. If Zimmerman was truly going back to his truck as he claimed, he wouldnt have met martin. While Martin's path seems to be towards his father's house as expected.


The only part of his statement that is supported by the facts is that at some point Martin got the upper hand and had Zimmerman on the floor before he was shot

Zimmerman, who had taken legal classes, most likely knew statements that could get him convicted and made sure not to get on the witness stand where his story might have fallen apart.

But 'The Great Bobby' is wise enough to take the word of a killer for it, after all what has the killer got to lose for admitting to incriminating details. But then your true aim is normalize his killing under the ad hominem argument of "he is a bad kid so he deserves to be killed"

 

Absolutely the facts do support literally the only eyewitness account of what happened.

No one has made that claim, and it's completely irrelevant.

There's literally no evidence that anyone other than Martin EVER had the "upper hand", and the fact that Martin was the first to address Zimmerman by yelling at him "Why you followin’ me for?" kind of indicates that he was the aggressor.....especially combined with the fact that he was on record saying that he "loved to fight"

Nearly everything you've said is speculation based on nothing at all but your desire to see the likely aggressor viewed as a helpless victim. You want that to be true, so you are fine with the ridiculous fan fiction BS that you have been spewing tonight. You'll have to understand that isn't the most persuasive.

As to wanting to normalize this killing, I guess in a way that's true. I fully support violent assholes being shot dead when the attack people....and that's what happened here. The more violent assholes who are put into the ground by their intended victims, the better society as a whole is. Hell I'd be fine with a similar incident happening a dozen times a day, at some point you'd run out of violent assholes trying to attack people.

 

No they do not and you have not presented any facts that do so, while I have presented facts that counters said premise e.g. the path taken by both individual shows tat Zimmerman went to cut off Martin.

False - Zimmerman made that claim in his statement to the police
"As the dispatcher was asking me for an exact location the suspect emerged from the darkness + circled my vehicle. I could not hear if he said anything. The suspect once again disappeared between the back of some houses. The dispatcher once again asked me for my exact location. I could not remember the name of the street so I got out of my car to look for a street sign."
As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from the darkness and said 'You got a problem' I said 'No' the suspect said 'You do now.' As I looked and tried to find my phone to dial 911 the suspect punched me in the face. I fell backwards onto my back.

Other discrepancies in his statements include
1. Zimmerman had described to the dispatcher where his truck was just past the mail boxes and when asked about address he said he couldnt provide it (cos it was a cut through). When he said he didnt know the address, the dispatcher did not request further and the conversation proceeded to other details including his home address and how he was going to meetup. At no point did he indicated he was looking for the street sign.
2. His truck was parked on the main streets (Twin Trees lane) in the community and any average resident would know that street
2. His truck was parked on the road in front of a house which he could have easily seen the number. Instead his reference to a cut through which was a few yards away from his car indicates he was already out of his car and on or close to the cut thru path.
3. His movement path didnt match his claim that he was looking for a street sign which was at the intersection just behind his truck
4. He initially agreed to meet the cops by his truck, before changing is mind and asking them to call him when they arrive so that he could tell them where he would be (which implicitly was not by his truck). If he was heading back to his truck then why the change?
7. Even from te cut thru, there was a shorter path to return to his truck which he did not take and his route looked nothing like what he should have normally taken if he was just returning to his truck
5. He had gotten off the phone for the dispatcher, so the address he claimed to be searching for was of little use.
6. Most important, Zimmerman claimed he went to look for a street sign and was returning to his car when Martin attacked him but he met with Martin at the back of the houses. There were no streets and definitely no street signs in his path. You dont go to the back of houses to look for street signs

The inconsistencies and falsehoods are clear enough and only someone with ulterior motive would accept the statement as tue and factual

There nothing aggressive about asking someone who keeps following you why they are following you. So funny, the person pursuing is not aggressive but the person being followed is aggressive for asking why he was being followed?

All i have stated have been based on facts and logic while you on the other and have not used facts from the case but have been using the boy's character to justify his death

At least you are admitting your intentions, except your baseless claim that he attacked someone. That claim has no defensible basis and relies solely on your trust in the testimony of the killer, a privilege I doubt you would extend if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

Was hoping to come in here and read about the thread topic. Thanks a lot for hijacking it, y'all seriously can't just revive the old thread and keep your conversation there? We know neither of y'all are going to convince each other in changing your position so for the very least go discuss this **** in the old Martin thread and let this thread be used for updates in the topic.

Thanks.

 

Everyone deserves automatic respect until that person not a group they belong does something to not deserve it Isn’t that what you’re fighting for African Americans to receive? Read your words man. This putrid disrespectful verbal abuse officers endure on patrol these days is an embarrassment to this country.

There’s no path forward with that stereotypical prejudicial shallow view of yours of people performing a public service. If you don’t respect the person holding the position of police officer at least respect the vital position that they hold.

What’s your solution if you think the verbal abuse police officers receive these days is fair game. Tell me your plan to hold people accountable who get riled up over distorted cases like what many of you are itching to do here without facts. Who would want the job of police officer in a society where not only the criminals they deal with daily don’t respect them but an alleged intellectual like you doesn’t.

I’d submit to you that the respect given to people who are in the act of committing a crime or just in the act of not complying in a routine traffic stop leads to their abusive behavior toward officers and belief they are above the law. Teaching a whole generation that they shouldn’t respect positions of authority until they meet whatever internal measurement they come up with leads to the degradation of society and a very dangerous world.

Sign up to becone a cop and show us how it’s supposed to be done under your terms. You wouldn’t last a week with all the crap being thrown at you. Officers deserve praise and respect as they are doing a job many would not do.

The above expectation of respect does not apply to extremist hate groups obviously. Willfully joining that type of group is an act upon itself unworthy of respect

 

Bobbythegreat is a bigot. He will ALWAYS take the side of the white person in ANY incident that involves a person of color. No point of talking with him.

 

Not sure how a cop could put his life on the line to protect someone who is already dead.

The police department pulled rank and turned the investigation over to another agency and charges were filed. The world doesn't revolve around your paranoid vengeance seeking bias.

As far as pulling rank..... I don't see a single member of the cop hating club around here go vehemently after false accusers of police wrong doing. It's just what we see in this case paranoid accusations followed by screams of maximum punishment no matter how stupid you looked the last time you did it or how damaging it is to the cause for justice for legitimate victims of police abuse,

 

You have delusions of grandeur.

It's pretty easy to argue your experiences and anyone who thinks like you do. You choose to view your life in the most negative and extreme way which often leads to stereotypical bias.

I live a very different life than most people of the people who share my skin color. Even though having to sacrifice many aspects of our lives to provide 24-7 care for our son, my wife and I don't dwell on what we think our life should be or could have been like. We know our son's life is much more difficult and that there are others walking around us that have their struggles too. That said, I hardly call living with Autism severe and pristine.... We rally together in a positive manner with others living a similar life to reengage with society while promoting awareness and dignity for those affected with Autism. I understand the necessity of advocating for others but I also know you can't carpet bomb groups of people in your path.

Those very public and obviously false situations I described are still rallying cries like hands up don't shoot. Continue to live with a lie that rips a gaping hole in your cause's credibility but don't come crying to me because you don't have the guts to repair that hole. You act like responsibility to protect the image of a cause you are passionate about is a burden.

You think the only lens to view life through is race. That's where your problems start.

 

I know your kid has Autism. Imagine me tell you that any problems your child would have no problems if you would only stop pretending that it is harder for him or that he has extra challenges because he is on the spectrum. You are just building in excuses for failure for your son by acting like Autism is presenting him with any additional challenges.

I wouldn't say that because I don't have Autism and you would be correct to tell me that I don't understand the difficulties presented by that.

Knowing that, I think it would be wise of me to try and listen to people who do live with Autism and try to relate to their experiences. I shouldn't lecture them about how to get away from the challenges that I don't believe actually exist and tell them what they need to actually worry about and what is wrong with the way they perceive the challenges they face.

Nobody is perfect, but empathy is better than judgment without experience, knowledge, and understanding.

 

No one *sshole followed a kid walking back home from the store and something bad happen.

 

@Rocket River

Here's a recent view from my lens from a racial perspective.

Our son just turned 22. He's in the final year of transition program at his HS. He earned enough (modified)credits to graduate 2 years ago and was scheduled to walk at graduation. We made it all the way to the ceremony at Reliant Stadium and he would not walk and had a severe meltdown not on stage but in front of a lot of people. We had to pick up our things and go calling friends and family once we had him calm and in the car on the way home. Obviously disappointed but accustomed to situations like that.

Graduation time came again this past year. The district asked us if we wanted to try again. Our response was that we felt maybe we were the ones who wanted this and it meant nothing to our son. We didn't try.

Summer graduation rolled around. My son has 2 teachers and 2 aides that rotate with him and have been with him for several years. All 4 of them came to me one day this past summer telling me how much he had changed their lives and how much all of them wanted him to walk at the summer graduation. We agreed to try again.

The graduation was held at my son's school and even though 4 schools participated it was only about 80 graduates in total. My son's school went 3rd out of the 4 schools but my son never came out and sat with his school. His school's time came and he never came out. They started the last school and were down to the last couple of students. Here comes my son with his 2 teachers,

Keep in mind up to that point there were the usual smattering of applauses for students who were graduating. When they announced my son's name every single person in the room was clapping and cheering. The crowd that day was about 90% minority. They collectively saw the goodness of watching 3 people of different races (student and 2 teachers) walking arm in arm across that stage to celebrate their accomplishment together Absolutely beautiful day.

I never posted this before but the person who committed the crime against my son was a minority school district employee. My family could have easily but certainly not fairly held grudges against that minority group and gave up on school for him. We had to compartmentalize the hurt with the person who did it and not the groups he was affillated with. We didn't narrow our lens. Keeping our lens wide open allowed the joy so many of us bound by the goodness that resides in our hearts were able to experience that day.

 

That is great, but who says minorities can't appreciate the same type of things you mentioned but also speak out against the discrimination they face at the hands of law enforcement on a regular basis. I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive. Minorities can see the beauty in people of any and all races overcoming challenges to accomplish success. Perhaps that success would, even more, be appreciated by people who also face daily challenges specific to them. That doesn't mean they have to try and justify, ignore, or not fight against the prejudice that does exist.

 

I'm also correct to tell you that you missed the point as usual. I'm talking about any person living with adversity and the need for them realizing that they need to build a path forward not dwell in blame, misery and self pity. That was in response to him telling me I'm white so life is all right. That kind of stereotypical bullshit isn't cool either.

If you were as noble as you pretend to be you would stand up when the cause is being crippled. Like what we have with the current case where all these unfounded accusations are being hurled. Wait until there's evidence to prove those accusations . They charged her. That's a step forward. Build from there without condemning others performing a service to the public.

 

You know, I'd prefer you not respond to something where I tagged someone else.

You totally missed the point I made in the last paragraph to twist this in to something where it was construed as I might be criticizing minorities. The point was my son was wronged by a person of a different race employed by an agency who investigates itself and we built a path forward without ******** on others of that race or employed by those agencies.

That moment I described would have never happened for anyone in that room had my family not chosen a better path than hate and contempt. I already knew people of all races have that kind of goodness in their heart. I wouldn't if all I knew was the jaded stuff I read around here.

 

LOL that's pretty hilarious coming from a bigot like yourself. Perhaps you are just projecting? You are the one that looks at incidents like these as a black vs white issue instead of ignoring race and focusing on the facts of the case.....and we absolutely know why that is.

You've consistently brought up irrelevant nonsense, it doesn't matter that Zimmerman was following Martin, it's not an excuse for Martin assaulting Zimmerman....which is something we know happened due to not just the eyewitness testimony of the victim, but there is bruising to the face and cuts to the back of the head that are consistent with that story.....and you have absolutely nothing to counter that with.

The point is that no one you are talking to is making that claim AND it's irrelevant anyway. You are trying your ass off to "prove" irrelevant BS because you know you've got nothing where it matters.

The inconsistencies are about truly irrelevant points and what matters is backed by evidence. You simply can't make a case for your fan fiction narrative over testimony backed by the evidence and that is in character for the attacker Martin.

Character is a factor. If we were talking about a good kid that didn't admit that he liked to fight who never got in trouble, it would be out of character for him to attack someone for the crime of looking at him.....with Martin, we know that he was a bad kid who was constantly in trouble and someone who liked to fight.....with a history of attacking people.

Yes, I'm admitting that I'm a fan of violent assholes getting shot by their would be victims. As to your repeated claims that the eyewitness testimony, backed by physical evidence and the character of the attacker is somehow "baseless"....it just makes me wonder if you know what that word means. It wouldn't surprise me if you need to look it up.