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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. robbie380

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    I don't know, I'm skeptical of "repressed memories" being "discovered" through psychotherapy....and so is the American Psychological Association. What can end up happening is the patient can end up with "false memories" that they truly believe. There have been people that have made all sorts of crazy accusations that ended up being nothing more than false memories that they believed to be repressed memories discovered through psychotherapy.

    On top of that, what I've heard about the doctor notes from 6 years ago is that there was no one named in those. If she had said it was Kavanaugh then that would be something, but she simply said that she was "attacked by students from an elitist boys’ school" and there were several inconsistencies such as her describing the attack taking place in her late teens when she was allegedly 15.

    I think it's very possible that she's convinced herself that she was attacked by Kavanaugh, but given that there is absolutely no evidence of it and the fact that she told literally no one about it until it came out as a repressed memory 30 years later....and then seemed to morph again 6 years later into a very specific story about a judge that she wishes to prevent from getting confirmed to the SCOTUS....I just can't buy it.
     
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    IMO that's what should happen and then that should be the end of it.
     
  4. No Worries

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    Could your entire adult life be a repressed memory?
     
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    Kavanaugh's accuser was worried that she would be attacked if she came forward...

     
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    Maybe Professor Ford and Judge Kavanaugh and author Mark Judge can take a FBI lie detector test. Same set of questions. This might improve everybody's memory.
     
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    Well, I mean she's attempting to destroy someone's life by accusing them of a felony sex crime based solely on debunked pseudoscience.....so yeah, she's going to face scrutiny.
     
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    You seemed quite OK in 2016 with stalling a Supreme Court nominee - and you didn't even need a reason back then.

    GOP tried to play politics then and now again by rushing a nominee they know might not be confirmable in a few months. Even if you're right that this is all a political game by the Dems, why do you have a problem with that but not the GOP doing it?
     
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    Completely different situation, that SCOTUS nominee didn't have enough support to be confirmed so they didn't bother wasting time with it. This is an instance of a SCOUTS nominee that DOES have enough support to be confirmed but the minority party is attempting to stall the process by any means necessary.

    The alternative in 2016 was to go to a vote and reject the nominee, the alternative now is to go to a vote and confirm the nominee. There was never a scenario where Merrick Garland was going to be confirmed by a Republican controlled Senate....so you might as well get over it.

    Anyway I'll give you credit for attempting to make this false equivalence seem valid, but it's not.
     
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    Alumnae of Kavanaugh accuser’s high school express support for her

    Alumnae of Christine Blasey Ford’s high school are circulating a letter to show their support for her, after Ford came forward with sexual misconduct accusations against President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh.

    “We believe Dr. Blasey Ford and are grateful that she came forward to tell her story,” a draft letter from alumnae of Holton-Arms, a private girls school in Bethesda, Md., reads, as first reported by HuffPost.

    “It demands a thorough and independent investigation before the Senate can reasonably vote on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to a lifetime seat on the nation’s highest court.”

    The letter, which says it’s from more than 200 alumnae from classes 1967 through 2018, added that Ford’s allegations about Kavanaugh are “all too consistent with stories we heard and lived while attending Holton.”

    “Many of us are survivors ourselves,” it said.

    HuffPost reported that the letter had received three dozen additional signatures as of Monday morning.

    The report comes just a day after Ford detailed her allegations against Kavanaugh for the first time to The Washington Post.

    Ford, a California psychology professor who is now 51, accused Kavanaugh of pinning her to a bed one summer while they were in high school in the 1980’s. She alleged that "groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it."

    Kavanaugh has fiercely denied the accusation. But the charges have led some Democratic and GOP senators to voice concerns about a confirmation vote taking place before his accuser is heard from.

    Ford’s attorney, Debra Katz, said Monday that her client is willing to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee. But Katz added that she has not been approached about testifying.

    "We've heard from no one," Katz said on CNN’s "New Day."

    Trump has no intention of dropping Kavanaughs’ nomination, according to Bloomberg News. The news outlet also noted that the White House is planning to try to discredit Ford.

    Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said this weekend that he is trying to set up separate phone calls with Kavanaugh and Ford before a scheduled confirmation vote.
     
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    It is going to get really interesting if any more women come forward.
     
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    If the allegation is true, would professor Ford be considered a "survivor"?
     
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    haha you owned that b**** ass *****.
     
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    Not that I'm in the business for giving advice to Republicans but yes I do. They still have time to get an easier candidate through now or during a potential lame duck period.

    This isn't the only reason FYI.

    Keep in mind that his position on Native Alaskan tribes relevancy makes Murkowski's vote tough to put through so there was no guarantee they were getting her vote or it wouldn't cost Murkowski her seat if she did vote for Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh misled & potentially committed purgery himself at least 6 times opening himself up for investigations & even impeachment if they ever had control of Congress enough to do so. There's the paper trail & document mystery issue. There's also the questions around protecting Trump with unlimited executive power that Kavanaugh has advocated for.

    All of these reasons BEFORE this accusation made Kavanaugh a challenging pick. So my advice for Republican Trumpers would be they should have pulled him yesterday, and never should have nominated him to begin with. Especially given the fact that he's been so incredibly partisan in the past, and so outspoken on issues they need their nominee's to be publicly quiet about.... like abortion, executive power, etc. Gorsuch provided a clear example of a judge template who has said nothing or done nothing controversial but you know EXACTLY where he stands on the issues you care about.

    But Trump fans are going to be Trump fans. Don't listen to me. Just continue to trust the King.
     
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    Feinstein with the master political stroke. She went killshot on it and the snowflakes can't abide. Deal with it. Karma's a b****.
     
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    Are you getting hung up on the word "survivor"?

    Just curious.
     
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    I'm pretty sure in his case it would be a repossessed memory.
     
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    Repressed memories are usually pretty unreliable. Memory itself is just a representation of what we think we experience.
     
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    Yep, people are forgetting that SCOTUS Judges can also be impeached. Not sure why anyone on the right would want to take a risk with Kavanaugh considering everything that's around him.

    This is Trump's guy though, I wonder if Trump's ego will allow him to do the smart thing, pull the pick ASAP, and choose another less risky choice.
     
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    Daniel Robert Epstein

    The Democratic resistance to the Kavanaugh nomination has been an all-out assault on his judicial philosophy and personal integrity from the moment that it was announced. I have no doubt that any senator has the full and complete right to vote whatever way he or she thinks fit on the nomination. And I have no doubt that if the Democrats held a majority of the seats in the Senate, they could have stonedwalled this nomination, just as the Republicans did with Merrick Garland. It is well-established constitutional law that the Senate need not call a hearing, let alone schedule a vote. In retrospect, the decision not to hold any hearings on Garland should be regarded as a wise and humane political decision, because it spared Garland and the nation a similar disgraceful exhibition of intolerance that some conservative opponents of Garland may well have launched to tarnish his confirmation chances.

    But this last-ditch decision to sabotage Kavanaugh at the 11th hour is a disgusting piece of political propaganda. Christine Blasey Ford behaved wholly improperly when she decided to write a letter only to “a senior Democratic lawmaker,” in which she made the most serious allegations of sexual assault against Kavanaugh. At the very least, she ought to have handled matters wholly differently. If she wanted to keep matters confidential, she should have sent that letter to President Trump and to Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the chairman of the judiciary committee. She also should have sent it to the FBI for investigation. And she should have done all of these things at the earliest possible moment, in time for a principled and neutral examination to take place before the Senate hearings took place. Then, she should have sat for a cross-examination.

    Putting the information exclusively in the hands of key Democrats thus invited the wholly corrupt strategy that has now unfolded. First, the Democrats would try to discredit Kavanaugh by engaging in a set of procedural antics and obnoxious substantive questions during the hearing, without mentioning this letter. When that strategy abjectly failed, they knew they had to go to Plan B, which was to release the letter and the allegation days before the confirmation vote. A perfect sandbag, for the Democrats knew full well that there was no time to respond to them, without causing an enormous delay in the confirmation hearings. Their hope was, and is, to create a huge media circus that would take weeks if not months to sort out. Shipwreck this nomination. Make it impossible for the current Senate to pass on any subsequent nominee before January. Then take control of the Senate and create a stalemate that could run on until the next presidential election.

    And for what? Ford, Kavanaugh’s accuser, maintained a stony silence on these allegations for more than 35 years. At no point did she raise them in connection with the Senate confirmation hearings before Kavanaugh was confirmed in 2006. Kavanaugh has categorically denied the allegations. Late last week, Mark Judge, his alleged accomplice, denounced the allegations as “absolutely nuts.” No other woman has ever made any allegation of this sort against Kavanaugh. and 65 women have written an explicit letter in his defense. Kavanaugh is right not to respond beyond his categorical denial, knowing full well that further comment would only draw him further into a vortex on which credibility determinations would be unending. And the Senate is right to continue with the confirmation vote. The institutional damage to the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the nation has already been enormous. What is left now is only the sorry task of damage containment. What sane judge would like to be the next Supreme Court nominee?
     

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