Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

Burning this F-250 is gonna get messy.

 

So your problem is with global capitalism? Is it racist in and of itself? Or that nike isnt doing enough for third world labor rights? They can only pay market wages, and the entire clothing industry dictates these wages. It's a chain effect.

Yeah, I agree with the last sentence, but his limited intellect is telling him just get the word out. Market the message and everything will magically fall into place.

 

I don't have a problem with capitalism or socialism or communism, I just have a problem with predatory behavior. I think both the solutions of more control and no control can work, they are equally shitty solutions imo and it's scary to people that we haven't thought of a better way, and those with lower intellect think these are the only options for eternity.

In this case the predatory behavior comes from Nike, the US government's abusive foreign business policy and the hosting country's submissive domestic policy. It's complex and if we discuss it, we'll eventually arrive at: well nothing's perfect and it could be worse. Which is correct, except that the current system allows people whose wealth is loosely correlated to their work to select between free market hegemony and dictatorial control depending on what suits it. The worst parts of capitalism and communism are in play, and the best parts are marginalized. Case in point, a free market globalist and a socialist/communist dictator collude to abuse sweatshop workers. None of them care about their principles being respected, both of them care about extracting wealth regardless of value produced.

I also don't think Kaepernick has a limited intellect in this arena, I just think he caved and he rationalized it in his mind which is unfortunate.

 

What's the alternative? What you see as predatory is market conditions for the unskilled, there is only so much do gooding Nike can do before executives leave for Adidas because of the lower pay that affects them. The top gets paid and the very bottom gets hit the worst is global capitalism. Look at what players in the NBA and MLB get paid vs the minor league's.

Plus, you'll always have some of the companies moving to places that won't impose those restrictions.

When you say corporate principles, it's a trade off and it's relative. Nike isn't as bad as Monsanto. Apple has it's biggest factories in China with more plastic waste (ocean dump) and greenhouse emissions than the next 3 largest countries in the world combined. The brainpower in Indonesia hasn't come up with better options for the unskilled workers and across all clothing industries, sweatshop conditions are passable but never as good as they can be. I really don't think Nike is to blame here-- rather local governments who don't have the financial freedom to impose regulations because no global agreements are made. I am open to listening to solutions that would upgrade the conditions and wages of these workers, but they are still living a life of survival every day with the upgrades. Corporate do goodism always falls back into the hands of the true elite (0.01%) and their affected bottomlines. How do you appeal to them?

 

https://babylonbee.com/news/man-who...ro-shoes-from-walmart-threatens-nike-boycott/

"Willis threatened Nike with a boycott, though he never buys Nike products in the first place." This dude is Spartacus!!

 

It's not just nike. Look inside your shirts, trousers and boxer briefs. They all manufacture in countries where a worker is getting a couple of pesos for an hour. Brooks brothers and Mitchell and ness are one of the few that make their products here, 2 shops i like . But we might as well walk around nude, which would be a bad idea. Some of us are growers not show'ers

 

another angle I hadn't really thought about, this time from the viewpoint of survivors of police deaths. This letter by the widow of a police officer killed on duty is making the rounds today.

I checked her fb page and she is legit, active in survivors groups. Hard letter to read. Not sure I know how to think about this woman's complaint, or compare it either to the sweatshop labor issue or to the profiting from police brutality angle. But still have an uneasy overall feeling about this particular PR campaign of Nike's.

 

Nike is just trying to make a buck, of course, but their PR campaign has nothing to do with the tragedy of police officers killed on duty. The suggestion that someone who stands against police brutality or injustices in our legal system is somehow committing an offense against heroic police officers like her husband really doesn't follow. It looks to me like people spreading this letter around are just using her story as a way to shame those who have grievances about police brutality and the way the US justice system applies to black people.

 

Apologies if this has already been posted but I’m not rewarding 90+ pages.

 

Like I said, the discussion is going to devolve into "well what's better" and I don't care for that discussion at all. I have no problem acknowledging we don't have the answers, and both of the options allowed by those who inherited and amassed power are garbage.

We just don't know, and that's fine with me. You didn't know streaming was possible until it was possible. Same thing with the way we organize society, except there are people willing to mass murder rather than test some different jenga pieces.

 

*rereading

Damn autocorrect sucks.

 

Criticism without solutions leads to nothing. You can't let mental laziness take over here. To me, the tax code is the issue when it comes to social benefits for the have nots. When none of the 0.01% pays much on investment, power keeps consolidating and they will always put the squeeze on the most expendable. The billions of people in that bracket have no control other than not having kids, and again, many won't use birth control because of religion and expense.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...y-twice-as-much-in-taxes-as-wealthy-investors

These loopholes allow the corporate winners of global capitalism to put the axe down on the unskilled.

 

Criticism with a purported solution leads to just as much.

Look, I used to think the most advanced theory in whatever field we have has to be considered excellent. IMO it's not. We are more advanced in some things than others. In the field of governance, imo we are lagging woefully and I don't have to respect what's the most common in practice. There are plenty of theories that have never been tested, those would be interesting but again it devolves into a primal "but there's something wrong with it".

 

I don’t think it’s the government. They probably looked at YouTube and fb comments and determined what formula to “sell” to them.

Simplest answer is the best answer is the only answer among our best and brightest.

 

This is a genius move by Nike. A joke my band frequently makes when we play is "If you like our music we have CD's and T-shirts for sale. If you don't like our music you can buy our CD's and T-shirts and burn them.. That will teach us to make CD's and T-shirts." Nike knew that there were a lot of people who were going to do just that and they're playing right into the marketers hands.

 

I can't see how this would help Nike. People are burning stuff they already owned...and certainly won't buy more just to burn them, that's silly. In the end Nike will have to rely on their current customers (presumably young folks trying to come into their own financially like all young folks do when starting out in life) to buy MORE stuff to make up for the millions they'll lose in people that were buying but don't like Kap. It can't be an insignificant number of permanently lost business. Nike is about money...I can't believe they're trying to take sides to do the right thing...if that were the case they'd be closing sweat shops all around Asia.

 

http://time.com/5390884/nike-sales-go-up-kaepernick-ad/

So far so good.

What people are forgetting is that while this is controversial in the USA, it's not controversial anywhere else in the world. The sentiment on this subject around the world is pretty much "Yeah, USA has some jacked up law enforcement..." and NIKE is an international company.

They were never appealing to the people that burned their shoes, those were always bonus customers.

NIKE isn't trying to do the right thing here, I doubt NIKE cares about morality too much. Their researchers probably looked into it when it came to the issue of letting Kap go or resigning him and saw that this would be beneficial to their brand. It looks like so far it has been.

The thing is, the people that are burning their shoes just isn't their audience. So it really doesn't matter if they were burning old stuff or new, just wasn't their audience.

 

LOL at her mentioning Tim Tebow's kneeling, which was a private act of prayer. Why exactly were people supposed to called that courageous?

 

If you’re using that as your “So far so good” measuring stick you’re going to be disappointed. Look again at the Edison Trends site that those numbers are based off of. There’s always been a drop in sales before Labor Day then a spike like that afterwards. It’s slightly bigger this year but then again so are overall sales. Heck , they sold more merc on August 15 and 17 then they did post Kapernick...is that significant? I don’t believe it is. We’ll see man.