[Birther] Trump Denying/Revoking Passports to Latino Texans, Sending Some to Detention Facilities

First they came for Muslims.
Then they came for illegal immigrants.
Then they came for refugees.
Then they came for legal immigrants.
Then they came for Hispanic US Citizens.

Anyone want to guess who's next?

 

White people.

 

I heard they are getting cancelled. Must be due to poor ratings.

 

...not me.

...somebody's gotta go in those ovens...

 

anyone not saying nice thing to Trump.

 

I would have thought the burden of proof would be on the government to demonstrate a birth certificate was false instead of being on the citizen to prove that it was legitimate.

 

That's usually how it works in this country. I was thinking about this last night; all I have to prove I was born here is a US passport and a birth certificate. If you confiscate one and don't accept the other; how in the world can you prove it? Also; a government not accepting documents it issued itself is some sort of Catch-22 **** I'd expect in a former Soviet country. Not here

 

...uhhh....

...don't take this the wrong way...but...

...where the heck have you been for the past eight years...?

...in a foreign country someplace...
...like America...?

 

I had the same thought experiment. Any proof you could come up with would still be less credible than an actual birth certificate because all other legal documents stem from that (SS card, DL, Kroger's card).

Only proof I could think of is getting a notarized document with statements from every doctor and nurse in a hospital so you can at least later use them as witnesses in your deportation trial.

I guess if you take gerrymandering to it's highest form, this is politicians picking their voters on a national scale.

 

I guess so. It's definitely not small government but hey it lowers corporate taxes (indirectly) so I guess the GOP has no issue with it.

 

That is the entirety of my proof as a Natural Born Citizen. There wasn't video of my birth. I didn't have a GPS tracker at the time. Maybe there are some hospital pictures, but I kind of doubt it as I've never seen them.

I have always been curious about babies born outside the hospital though and how that paperwork gets addressed. I could certainly see how it could be faked, but what are you going to do, especially as an adult? Maybe some, most, or even all are not actual citizens by birth and they may have zero clue.

 

..With bigly southern accents.

 

It doesn't pay to be too cynical. Forget about what's right and you start giving up without a fight.

What the govt is asking for are things like your parents' rental agreement, utility bill, or payslip to show they were domiciled in the US -- 20 to 40 years ago. That's a totally unreasonable burden of proof to expect a person to have kept someone else's records for decades. It doesn't even prove anything. Your parents could be living in Mexico, one day swim across the river, deliver a baby, and then swim back that afternoon and that baby will still be a US citizen. Some people are going to be getting away with citizenship fraud because some crooked midwives manipulated the system a couple of decades ago. Ok. You want to make sure that doesn't keep happening, and it sounds like they must have tightened up the system enough where it isn't still happening. But, it really isn't that big a deal that several thousand people are citizens that should not be. And this isn't really a Trump thing; challenging citizenship started under Bush and continued briefly into Obama's admin. It was a foolish road to start down. That the Obama admin saw the folly and somehow Trump's people do not though just compounds the fault. Trump's admin keeps playing in this gray area of legal status where due process should exist but somehow does not -- deportations without hearings, immigration detention without bail, child separation under duress, retroactive administrative denial of residency based on the lawful use of government services, and now again demanding US citizens to prove their citizenship. Why shouldn't we have due process?

I was born abroad and I'm only a citizen because my father was. What's to prevent them from demanding I demonstrate my father was legitimately a citizen?

 

...testing the waters, I'd imagine.
...If we're making America great again, I mean.

Totalitarianism is in the eye of the beholder, I hear.

..and we're waaay through the looking glass with this stuff now...

 

The Repugs are now forced to go all in with their anti-immigrant i.e racist immigration policy. 9/10 non white immigrants who naturalize will be voting against them for at least a generation nationally...

Pete Wilson and the Repugs in California were the first to do this anti-immigrant thing to win CA elections back in the 1980's and early 1990's and it worked for an election or two. Then the Latinos and Asians started to fight back by naturalizing and or voting and now the Repugs cannot come even close to winning a statewide election and are starting to fall even in their remaining gerrymandered districts.

The Bush GOP types were smart enough not to take the similar approach in Texas, perhaps due to Jeb's wife, though they did not hesitate to do the dog whistle type of racial appeals. With Trump and Sessions and the gang, the GOP has nationalized what has happened im CA in the 1990's and the result will be the same. At best it might work again in 2018 or even 2020. Not even having an apology or little Marco Rubio running will be able to help them for quite a awhile with the Latino community. In addition many of the fans of white identity politics are dying out every year.