The point is that by raising the minimum wage time and time again all that was done is lower purchasing power making it harder for people to support themselves and even harder to afford health insurance. That's the reality.....yet for whatever reason, you want to double down on failed policy in hopes that it will miraculously work this time. You say the point of raising the minimum wage is so that people who work full time jobs can have a somewhat decent life, but in reality that policy makes their lives harder. Those who support policy that when tried time and time again has only made them poorer are absolutely idiots.....and that's why they'll keep supporting it. They are feeble minded enough to think more dollars equals more purchasing power....and there are a lot of them. If they got $15 an hour when the minimum wage stayed at 7.25, then they'd be better off, but that's not what is happening
I'm not sure why you keep lying and saying that it doesn't work when it has been proven to work. I mean cute graph, nice drawings, but it has no actual data in it. You'd have a point if we were talking about a $30 minimum wage, but the price of things have increased and the wage hasn't. This is why a $3 minimum wage would be terrible. I'm not surprised that you'd support such wage slavery, you are a radical after all, but good luck winning on that message.
Oh, we're not talking about a $30 minimum wage today, but after you get that $15 minimum wage and the exact same thing that always happens ends up happening, we'll be talking about a $30 minimum wage. Look at any chart you want on the issue, as the minimum wage increases, the purchasing power continues to decrease. Now if you show someone on the left this chart, they'll argue that the minimum wage needs to be set much, much higher, they won't see that at one point early on minimum wage increases worked, but stopped working in the 60's and since then increases have only led to less and less purchasing power long term each time it is done.
Did you...did you really link me a graph from a progressive think tank? This doesn't actually support your point? It's saying that the purchasing power isn't exactly strictly tied to the minimum wage. I mean the graph goes against your point dude. You said as Minimum wage increases, Purchasing power decreases...except Minimum wage has continued to increase and purchasing power has been...well...varied. This graph, because it is from a progressive think tank (AKA SOCIALISTS!!!) is supporting increasing the minimum wage...I mean, thanks for proving my point? That the wage has not kept up with inflation and the workers are paying for it, yep, exactly as I thought. Thanks for the graph.
I'm not so sure. The last time Democrats had the House, they had a majority of state legislatures and governorships. It was only 10 years ago but it was a different era. Democrats were holding legislatures in the Deep South, Appalachia, the Midwest, etc.. All of that is gone now and Republicans are entrenching control via gerrymandering. And now that the Supreme Court punted on prohibiting gerrymandering. Congress needs to step in and create rules. I think this time around, Democrats will take the problem seriously at the federal level. I understand states not being good about it but at the federal level, I can definitely see the Democrats pushing something through.
Even with a stagnant or declining minimum wage, we'd still have inflation. In fact, we engineer our economy to maintain some modest inflation. We consider it a good thing, and that even modest deflation would be a bad thing. It is not the minimum wage we use to engineer inflation, it's monetary policy. But, things happen in the economy which can contribute to inflation and if minimum wage was a big enough effect, maybe it could cause some. If it did, tacking minimum wage to inflation, when inflation itself was a product of minimum wage, would create a vicious cycle to create some hyperinflation loop. But, I seriously doubt that's what would happen. Many salaries are set independent of the minimum wage, as is investment income and interest income. Minimum wage (thankfully) is not a huge component of our economy. Instead, I think it could create mild upward pressure on inflation that can be easily counterbalanced by interest rate or other monetary policy.
A governor is not in the position to provide medicare for all. He's not being elected for his politic beliefs, but what he is trying to do for the state. I personally support medicare for all in some form. Again, if he's running for Congress, this his position on M4A actually matters. Gullim is not getting M4A. He wants to nearly double min wage, which only shows me he is clueless when it comes to economics. The only good thing about him is he wants to legalize mar1juana, which will bring in significant tax revenue and help keep people out of legal trouble that really shouldn't be in trouble anyways. DeSantis is not my favorite candidate. He is typical deep redblood conservative. His focus is on the economy. Bringing in industry helps everyone, including those who make low wages. Why would myself and anyone else who lives above poverty want to vote for a guy who is bringing absolutely nothing, has no realistic plans or ideas that actually matter to the governorship? Democrats are making the same mistake they did in 2016, including pulling the race card when we are not even a half a day into the campaigning of the general election.
You’re missing the inflation aspect. At the very least, the federal minimum wage should be adjusted for inflation.
The Democrats don't have much to do with this though? It's not like they poured money behind Gillum. The dude just won, was he not supposed to run at all? I forget the amount but he was outspent by a hefty amount, he shouldn't have won, but I think many conservatives are downplaying how much people are hurting and how much people gravitate towards higher wages. Anyways, Pelosi has been super reluctant supporting progressive candidates, it's not the Democratic party doing it, it's what the people are voting for.
Oh I understand how a socialist would view this graph, which is why I told you that in the OP, you should literally never listen to a socialist talk about economics ever. For any reason. Just because foolish socialists will look at a policy that has continually failed and use a chart showing that failure as "evidence" that the failed policy should be enacted again and again doesn't mean that's how an intelligent person would view that same chart.
By your logic, there must be a lot of idiots in those red states that keep voting for republican despite their worsening poverty levels
If that were the case, sure.....it would be almost as bad as those cities with the high rates of crime and poverty that have been voting for Democrats ever since LBJ bought their vote 50+ years ago. He predicted he'd own them for 200 years, he's more than a quarter of the way there. The party of slavery finally found a workaround after the Republicans made it to where they couldn't physically own slaves anymore. All fun banter aside, I do agree that there are people far too loyal to parties in America. I personally haven't been able to support either of them for quite some time now. The Democratic party is dipping their toes back into socialism and the Republican party doesn't seem to have an identity or any true principles.
If I'm reading between the ignored posts properly, I'm guessing that somewhere lurking in a darkened room is one hell of a simmmering manifesto just waiting to burst onto the scene one day.
Its the fringe who are doing it. Its much like how Trump got into office in the first place. It starts off with two corrupt parties controlling the election process, such as having closed primaries, and the fringe rabid lunatics from both parties end up putting the undesirables on the ticket. When it comes time for the general election, we should have 3 or 4 decent candidates, but instead, since both corrupt parties are able to shut out any competition, we are stuck with the worst candidates instead of the best. Then you have those who, still to this day, continue to blindly support their party but yet fail to realize both sides have lost control of their parties. Florida has 21m people. 13m are registered to vote. 900k put DeSantis on the ticket. 500k put Gillum on the ticket. 10% of the registered voters chose these two candidates. Less than 4% of registered voters put Gillum on the ticket. Stop telling me our country wants these progressive ideologues. This problem resonates throughout our whole country. Progressives are terrible at making lives better for the poor. Lets start with M4A; For those who are making min wage, they are already getting free or heavily subsidized medical. Has their lives gotten any better? They are getting **** for free, but they are still broke AF. Minimum wage was never meant to be a career path for anyone. I would guess very few people on this forum has ever made minimum wage. Additionally, making huge adjustments to minimum wages does very little. Minimum wage is the bottom rung of the ladder. At the end of the day, they are still the bottom rung. Raising minimum wage did not improve their job skills. It did not create any jobs. At best, it puts a few more dollars in their pocket, which pretty much gets washed away because rents go up, prices go up, and thats if you're lucky not to have your position eliminated. Face ti dude, pretty soon fast food will be nearly automated. For once ill be happy to buy a burger and know it will come out they way I expect it. Sucks for the 40 year old who thought he scored the lottery when he got his wage doubled because a robot can do his job better and for less cost. The best job market is the one that has "help wanted' in every shop. You get that by bringing in industry. Focus on the economy. When you're not bringing in industry, you're not giving the bottom rung a chance to improve their skill set. Give a man a fish/Teach a man a fish. Giving people stuff all day long is great ... until you run out of fish to give. If you didnt teach them how to better themselves, then they are going to starve when the freebies run out. Pretty simple concept. If you believe in helping out the poor, thats great! But teach them to better themselves. Give them opportunities. The Bernies, the Cortez, the Gullims of the world fail to understand this. The general population isn't stupid. They understand the importance of jobs and economy. Blame Russia all you want. They are not the ones who are running candidates who aren't focused on the economy.
Democrats are the ones struggling to find a clear identity. The GOP on the other hand has more or less submitted to 'trumpism' and those who dont follow that path are being suppressed or forced out of the party. The upcoming election will be a good initial view into what Americans truly want.
I think they both kind of are. Right now Democrats have the fringe left taking over the party and trying to make them socialists while the GOP is all over the place.
Your point was just flat out wrong though??? The chart also contradicts your claim...you probably shouldn't mock 'socialists' (you use that word a lot...) for failing to read a chart when you yourself threw me a chart that contradicted your point...
No, it wasn't, no it didn't. If you look at the chart it shows that since 1962 purchasing power has steadily declined as the minimum wage continues to be increased. When that fails, they do it again, then it fails, then they do it again. When I "mock" socialists it's because they are effectively flat earthers when it comes to economics. Anything they have to say should pretty much be laughed at.
