Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect ID’d as Cristhian Rivera, 24, living in US illegally

I think that when you put yourself in a 50/50 scenario like a lot of people do when they’re put on trial, precedent and priors come into play.

He deserved it due to previous behavior. The board was sick of the constant cleanup they were having to do with his racist tendencies. Not saying the N word is really not that hard.

 

I don't really think it was 50/50, I think it was an innocuous comment spun to sound bad by a board that was looking for an excuse to take over the company. They knew that anything they could spin as racist would blow up in the media because he spoke out against the kneeling BS that was negatively impacting his company.....and the unwashed masses did exactly as predicted. Using the uneducated, unwashed masses to do the bidding of the 1% is one of the most reliable things ever.

 

What I don't understand, is if they have time to work steadily, don't they have time to make themselves legal??

Here is an exact quote I received from a Texas militia man by the Texas border:

"There is a rumor of a compromise, where we will let a select group of these illegals become probationary citizens as long as they agree to be sterilized, relinquish their right to vote, change their names to American ones and most importantly agree to help build and defend THE WALL to keep the animals out of this sweet country."

Also, there are those within "the movement" that want the Wall to be modeled after the Alamo with gun hole where the well armed Texas militia can protect our border from foreign invaders of the brown skin variety.

 

If you're an illegal, i think that automatically disqualifies a person from becoming a citizen through normal means.

Instead of cracking down on employers, we need to start letting them use work visa's. Its a win-win-win for everyone so I doubt there is much political staying power.

 

Still not as bad as unwashed masses clamoring for tighter border security and a pointless wall after a one-off incident with an immigrant committing a rare act of violence.

It’s not hard to coax racists into saying racist things. Just like it’s not hard to coax alcoholics to drive drunk. Immigrants commit less crimes because their status here already hangs by a thread. But yeah, MS-13 tho.

 

The killer had vacation and sick leave.

 

Tighter border security and a physical border is something that needs to happen irrespective of the murders, I would hope most people could see that, but if not, perhaps seeing the lives lost due to irresponsible border policy could get them to consider supporting doing the right thing.

 

What evidence do you have to support your claim and shows that current levels of security are inadequate and that a physical wall is the solution?

 

LOL, how about the millions of illegal immigrants in the country....

As to a physical border being "the solution", it's not "the solution", but it's part of "the solution". If you had a physical wall at the border it would become more difficult to get in and it would make that border much easier to patrol. If you also had a mandatory e-verify system that all employers had to use and you'd fine the hell out of any company not in compliance similar to how you would if you found safety violations, then illegal immigration would be a thing of the past.

If they couldn't get jobs and it was hard as hell to get in, they'd stop coming the wrong way and it would incentivize people to not overstay their visas.

 

That says nothing about when and how they got into the country, and, if your 'tighter security' would make a difference going forward.

Current estimates are that 67% of illegal immigrants came in legally, in which case your tighter security and wall would be useless in most cases.

First you would have to quantify how many people are getting in under the current system. For example, if it is less than 10 people per year, spending $20 billion on a wall would be idiotic.

E-verify can be better enforced, but has nothing to do with your earlier demand for tighter border security and physical border, which is what I asked you to justify.

I would expect you to provide some actual numbers of people coming across the physical border illegally recently, that would show why we need the tighter security and border wall. Otherwise there is no basis for your claim that we "need" such expenses beyond you wishful imagination

 

LOL, what it shows is that it is a problem.

Sounds like it would solve 33% of the problem going on your numbers.....

There's no need to quantify anything, you've suggested that 33% of illegal immigrants were border hoppers, that's significantly more than 10 a year and worth building the physical border. Also, it's not just migrants who you'd be stopping, there are national security reasons to not have a wide open border that people can just walk across.

Again, I said it would be a multi part solution. You whine about the physical border because you know it would be effective. Republicans b**** about the e-verify for the same reason. None of you really want a solution and that's why nothing ever gets done.

 

no it doesnt

No - the remaining 33% covers illegal entries by sea, Canadian border and Mexican border
The only thing we can say from that stat is that you proposal will likely solve significantly less than 33% of the problem if any at all.

See above.
Provide numbers or stop making baseless claims

I am not one of those ignorant people who automatically buys into some dotards BS, assuming there is a big illegal border crossing problem and that building a wall for over $20 billion is needed. I would rather see fact and figures that show what the problem is and how the wall or any other measure would fix it. Unfortunately, but not surprising, you are unable to provide any facts or figures to support your claims.

 

Literally every post you've made on this forum thus far suggests the opposite.

 

Nothing to show for false claims and resorts to ad hominem attacks

 

I know you have a screwed up view of liberals but is that really what you think? Liberals want to spend billions on something ineffective and would say "Sure go ahead and try it." It's never been the liberals idea to throw billions away for something they believe won't work.

 

And who do you think it is that's hiring illegal immigrants? Are you ready to pay 18 dollars for a burger at Applebees? Or 200 dollars for a 3 star hotel room? They're the backbone of the hospitality and construction industry. Also what lives lost? Lax gun control kills more people than illegal immigrants do.

This man was a predator. I’m surprised 45 doesn’t at least like him a little bit for being able to relate to him on that level.

 

The argument that the US needs to mistreat illegal immigrants in order to keep the economy moving is a pretty hilarious misconception that certain people have invented in order to justify illegal immigration. By your logic, if those illegal immigrants were given citizenship it would also tank the economy.

As to "what lives lost", I'm talking about every single person killed by illegal immigrants. I'm not suggesting that they kill more people than anyone else, but every single person victimized by illegal immigrants is completely unacceptable because they shouldn't be here to begin with. You say "this man was a predator, and you are right....and there are thousands more of them among the millions of illegal immigrants that shouldn't be here.

 

Mollie's father has a message for @Aceshigh7


Mollie Tibbetts' father: Don't use her death to promote 'racist' views
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/us/mollie-tibbetts-father-op-ed/index.html

Since authorities revealed the suspect in the killing of Mollie Tibbetts is an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, Iowa's Latino communities have been the target of rising anti-immigrant sentiment.

But the father of the late 20-year-old college student has had enough. He's spoken out, and he has a message: Don't exploit my daughter's death to promote a racist agenda.

"I encourage the debate on immigration; there is great merit in its reasonable outcome," Tibbetts wrote in an op-ed for the Des Moines Register on Saturday. "But do not appropriate Mollie's soul in advancing views she believed were profoundly racist."
Mollie Tibbetts disappeared during an evening jog in Brooklyn, Iowa, on July 18. After her body was discovered last month, authorities identified the suspect in her killing as an undocumented immigrant.

Several politicians and pundits used the news to make political arguments about immigration law, but many stopped after a plea from the family, Tibbetts said in the op-ed.

"Sadly, others have ignored our request," he wrote. "They have instead chosen to callously distort and corrupt Mollie's tragic death to advance a cause she vehemently opposed."

Tibbetts doesn't want to see his daughter used as a "pawn in others' debate," he said.
"She may not be able to speak for herself, but I can and will. Please leave us out of your debate. Allow us to grieve in privacy and with dignity. At long last, show some decency. On behalf of my family and Mollie's memory, I'm imploring you to stop."

Rob Tibbetts with his daughter, Mollie. The body of the 20-year-old college student was found a month after she went missing during an evening jog.
He also also took a swipe at Donald Trump Jr., who wrote his own op-ed published Friday that said Democrats' reaction to Mollie's death was "despicable." It was the left's policies and "open borders" that resulted in her killing, Trump said.

Tibbetts used Trump's words to make his own point, writing that using his daughter's death for political reasons "grievously extends the crime that stole Mollie from our family and is, to quote Donald Trump Jr., 'heartless' and 'despicable.'"

 

No, it wont.

Mexicans are great at digging tunnels , will use ladders , will find compromised areas within months ...it will build a false sense of security for guys at top of skyscrapers but won't do much else. Effective would be hiring more admin people to deal with Visa overstays and chain babies. If you are in the country illegally , you cannot give birth to a us citizen.
Do not let your anger cloud practicality.