Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect ID’d as Cristhian Rivera, 24, living in US illegally

Still not the reason she dead.

 

....I mean, it is though. If that guy was caught and deported, or wasn't allowed to be in the country illegally to begin with, she's still alive and he's likely killing people in whatever shithole country he's from.

 

Hey Trump, why don't you try and push real immigration reform, instead of your stupid wall, and trying to capitalize on people's tragedy to whip up fear in people for votes.

 

Wrong cos even without the illegal immigrant, we still have many crazy and dangerous people like Todd kohlhepp around. His immigrant status has nothing to do with it.

What society needs is better ways to prevent such crimes being committed, be it by citizens or illegal immigrants, and not people like you politicizing the unfortunate death of the young lady.

 

What about all the people shot in Jacksonville by this white man? Shouldn't people get angry about that as well? Maybe we should deport white men to Montana.

 

Granted, but it wasn't any of the crazy and dangerous people that belong in this country that killed her, it was one of the crazy and dangerous people that had no business being here in the first place.....so yeah, it does have something to do with it.

There is no way to completely eliminate crazy people, and as a result there's no way to completely eliminate crimes that those crazy people commit.....but what you can do is make sure that there aren't any crimes committed by people that shouldn't be in the country to begin with, let those people be the problem of wherever they happen to belong. Honestly that shouldn't be controversial.

 

I bet you think Papa John did nothing wrong.

 

Did he?

 

BTG is correct that in this case the killer was an illegal alien so if he wasn't here, Mollie wouldn't have died at his hands. That is simply fact.

Sweet Lou is correct that we just had a mass shooting that looks like again it was perpetrated by a legal, white male. Again, if accurate, it makes me wonder what is driving this to be primarily a white, male issue in this country.

While you can't argue with BTG's factual position (he is right on whether it would have happened or not), we probably need to take a deeper look into whether illegal aliens really commit more or less violent crimes on a proportionate basis in order for this to really factor into the illegal immigration debate. (Some posters have already raised this and have stated less. Don't know the data.)

My personal view: I believe in immigration. Built our country. My Mom immigrated here (legally).

I don't believe in illegal immigration, but understand it. And would likely try to do it if I thought it would benefit my family and save them from poverty. Doesn't excuse it in my personal view. But understandable.

I don't believe we really needed to separate children from parents. Just seemed vindictive and if our goal is that immigrants ultimately view themselves as Americans first and assimilate, this was probably a big push in the other direction. My guess is that this was not viewed favorably by both legal and illegal immigrants.

And since I'm sure most of you don't care what my views are, I will say I think we should honor Mollie's family's wishes and not try to use this to advance a particular political position.

 

How many of such crimes are carried out by illegal immigrants? The worst ones have been homegrown.

You can never truly stop illegal immigration, and the more difficult you make it, the more likely only the criminal ones would get in.

What you want to do is prevent and stop the crime itself, and focusing on the immigration status of a fraction of the offenders takes away from efforts to do that.

Having illegal immigrants in a country presents its own social and economic problems and challenges but that should be addressed separately

 

It doesn't matter, you are stuck dealing with those crimes that are "home grown", you shouldn't have to deal with those that shouldn't be in the country to begin with.....so 1 would be too many.

It's kind of like asking how many incidents of medical malpractice are carried out by people that are working in the hospital and operating on people with a revoked medical license....even if more are carried out by doctors with good medial licenses, you shouldn't have ANYONE working as a doctor in a hospital with a revoked license. Having 1 person harmed by a doctor working with a revoked license would be seen as too many.

 

and using your analogy, a case of malpractice is a case of malpractice and should be treated as such, while a case of revoked license is a case of revoked license.

A doctor with a revoked license should not be working, independent of if he is treating patients successfully or not. But turning a case of malpractice by a doctor with a revoked license into just about his revoked license, takes away from the malpractice issue.

 

You are so close to getting it, it's not "just about" anything. In both cases, you have medical malpractice, which should be eliminated.....but when you have medical malpractice AND a doctor operating with a revoked license it's even worse because they have no business practicing medicine in the first place.

 

It is not worse cos its still primarily a malpractice issue.

 

I agree with you on the larger issue, but this isn’t an issue only in America... it as a problem everywhere.

 

It's insult to injury when malpractice is carried out by a doctor that had no business practicing medicine to begin with. The same goes for when a person commits a crime that shouldn't have been in the country or that should have been in prison, unable to harm their victims.

 

The question is which is more important - the crime or the illegal status?

 

Both are crimes. The murder is obviously a more severe crime, but when the murder is carried out by a criminal who shouldn't have been in the country to begin with, it makes the murder worse. He should have been another countries' problem, not ours.

 

A simple question (which only needs a short phrase answer) - which is more important (not more severe), the murder or his illegal status?

Just pick one or bothif you think they are of equal importance