Hmmmm, thinking about it, I'm not too concerned about the Celtics getting him(cause I know Ainge will never give a good haul). Sixers, yea we can handle that team. Lakers.., yea that would suck. I hope Minny doesnt trade him there. They would to have to at least give up one of Kuzma, Ball, or Ingram just to get him
A comment and observation... Can we get rid of FRP and stick with 1st? You guys made my head hurt trying to find who those initials stand for on our roster. Jimmy B, could come our way if he makes it clear he won't sign with anyone else this off-season. This may be a stretch, but it seems he wants to win and play with guys dedicated to earning the chip. It just so happens his hometown team is the perfect place for him.
true but that doesn't work cap-wise. ego and who for butler? tucker? not paul/harden/capela. so its ego and ryno for butler and dieng... or ego and tucker for butler straight up. obviously i'd rather keep tucker. ego/ryno/picks for butler/dieng still probably doesn't beat the lakers, clippers, sixers, or celtics offers.
This is such a ridiculous notion. Not calling you out but just using this post as an example to call out all the delusional posters that seem to think we have a chance at landing anyone on Jimmy Butler’s level. Melo said he wouldn’t waive his no trade clause for anyone but Houston last year. Paul George said he’ll only commit to Lakers so he could get traded to LA. Kawhi said he’d only sign with LA. How did all those work out for the player? Jimmy cannot pick his destination. He can hurt Minnys position, but it wouldn’t matter for us because no one will be forced into taking Ryno and crappy picks.
I appreciate your feedback, but would offer a few additional points for your consideration. I did qualify this ("...could.." and "This may be a stretch...") and when you talk about a half season of Jimmy for say an Eric Gordon, 1st, etc., that's not delusional in the least. Some would have probably said getting James Harden for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb. and picks was delusional thinking, yet it happened. While your correct that Melo didn't get to Houston last year (he's here now strangely enough), but Melo did work his magic once when he refused to sign a contract in Denver and said he would accept either a trade to NY or CHI (2011). Kyrie demanded a trade last year and provided a 4 team list and ended up going to Cleveland's toughest competitor in the East. Hell, even ol' Vince Carter forced a move to New Jersey from Toronto in 2004. These are just a few of many examples of players targeting certain teams they would play for and getting there. You may be right and the recent examples are the new norm for the NBA, but given some of the crazy trades that have happened in recent years, I'd say never say never. Here's some examples https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1476415 #1 and #9 are both near and dear to our hearts. Still can't believe CLE got so little for Kyrie.
You make some fair points; I did try to make sure it wasn’t a call out and just the most recent post I can quote. To be clear if we are including EG in a trade then I wouldn’t refer to it as delusional if it was for say Jimmy. But there are a fair share of posters that have been tossing out names like Butler, Otto Porter, even Kevin Love for a package that only included Ryno and our young assets and picks. All my remaining points go back to the fact that I’m talking about a Ryno package. Your examples included much better packages than any combo of Ryno and anything else that’s not a player in last years rotation. Looking back yes we ROBBED OKC, but Kevin Martin was a 20 pt per game scorer, not considered a bad contract, Lamb was a mid first rounder and the pick was a solid pick. We have none of those in a package that starts with Ryno. Same goes for Denver’s haul.
Honestly I don't think Love is a fit for the Rockets on either end of the court. But Yes , Ryno actually makes sense for Cleveland. Ryno makes $10m less over two years , same contract length as Love. Cleveland is gonna suck , Lebron gone , Free agents aren't gonna line up to play in Cleveland. They should be playing draft picks , D-Leagers and projects until they strike gold. Much like the 76ers did the last few years. If you are gonna be a bad team , what's the point of keeping an aging star that wont be there when you are good gain and you could get something out of ?! What's Cleveland better off with Love and scrubs or Ryno a pick and scrubs ?! What other teams might make an offer for Love ? I don't think many would give up assets ….. and hope the Rockets don't , the point is that yeah , Ryno makes sense for Cleveland.
It makes sense for both teams. At least Love(can rebound at least) is playable against Warriors while Ryan saves Cavs $$.
Haha. Shockingly enough you had someone agree with you immediately. Well you’re both wrong. Not going to explain it. It’s such a ridiculous statement. Ok fine. I’ll explain a little. Even if Cavs wanted to dump Love, you do realize every team with a bad contract with 2 years remaining (there are a bunch just look for that summers signing) can make a better offer than us simply because their pick is better. But to go back to the start of that statement, you obviously know they just gave him a huge extension. Do you really think it makes sense for Cleveland to extend him so they can get a Ryno, the worst possible first round pick and a Melton out of it. Dude, seriously.
I didn't say that the Rockets would make the only offer …. Sure other teams could make a better offer. That doesn't change the fact that Cleveland is better off with player X making 10M less over the same two years and a first round pick while they tank. Ryno and a pick or any other 10m in savings contract plus a pick is better for them. The Idea is that Love is a wasted asset playing out his deal for Cleveland.
I don't think Love is playable against GSW , they'd have him isolated on a guard every trip down the court.
Reading back thru the thread I've come across our disconnect. Assuming you count me in that group - that's fictional. I know you are going to have to tie multiple assets to Ryno to get any return. The idea is that his salary is so significant that you have the ability to absorb just about any contract in the league. Ryno and picks is just a starting point for any ideas we may come up with …. a $24.1m in incoming salary starting point. (125%+100k). What other assets we tie to that is debatable.
Past history sez they get the max deals but w/out the max players' value. Will summer '19 change 5hat?
they're always a mess. they will have to overpay a borderline allstar to sign there for the max. if they are lucky i can see them spending 2 max contracts on kemba and tobias (two local products). then going over the cap to resign kanter. a lineup of kemba-hardaway-tobias-porzingis-kanter with frank-knox-FRP off the bench is a playoff team in the east but consider another max to resign porzingis, and near max for kanter and they will be paying LT for a first round fodder AT BEST. the other issue with the knicks' plans of offloading lee/thomas for cap space is that up to 12 teams will have or are angling to get at least 1 or 2 max deals under the cap next summer. one way to look at the situation: almost half the league isn't interested in taking on lee/thomas because they want the cap space too. another way of looking at it: almost half the league will be bidding for the same expiring contracts the knicks are hoping to get for lee/thomas. will the knicks throw in a FRP just to offload these guys? seems unlikely since their picks will be pretty high. in comparison to say the pacers, jazz, sixers, or lakers. even if they make their pick lotto protected, will the receiving team believe they will actually sign enough talent to make the playoffs and convey the pick? otherwise it becomes to SRP's or some crap. its not as good of an offer as other teams can make to dump salary. my guess is the knicks won't part with a potential lotto pick to clear space with the chance of striking out on that second max deal. they can't give up a pick to sign 2 role players. fans here (i live in nyc) will go nuts. now on the other hand... if they can't move lee/thomas for cap space... acquiring a pick for them would make sense. so the rockets DO have a chance. but on what timeline? if i'm the knicks i wouldn't make the rockets trade until next summer. i'd wait to see if i get a verbal from 2 guys, then look to spend my pick dumping lee/thomas to a team that is striking out in FA like the kings, grizzlies, or mavs. if i don't get a commitment from 2 guys, i don't spend the pick to offload lee/thomas... and then i'd do the rockets trade to acquire a SRP or two.
