Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect ID’d as Cristhian Rivera, 24, living in US illegally

https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2018/08/22/159466

 

Bingo!

Let’s discuss black, Hispanic, not a US citizen... discuss everything but the most common denominator that we are seeing over and over again.

 

The reason him being an illegal immigrant is an issue is because we have enough problems with the people who SHOULD be here, it just makes it worse when someone who has no business being here to begin with commits these kinds of crimes. If illegal immigration wasn't a problem, Mollie Tibbetts would still be alive, that's a much easier "problem" to solve than "toxic masculinity" which essentially is nothing more than the vilification of men who don't act neutered.

 

Well the GOP made illegal immigration their issue and yet they are utterly incapable of solving it.

 

If she wasn't a jogger she'd be alive, but that is kind of a stupid game to blame.

If every single Trump action came to fruition, this guy may very well have still ended up in the country in exactly the same place. Or maybe added resentment towards the US leads him to become a terrorist and kill hundreds of people. Who the F knows in these imaginary worlds?

If he was caught, he should have been deported. He wasn't, and is here. Now he has (barring some very shocking revelation) murdered someone, and is caught and will face the consequences for his actions, and will hopefully never see freedom again.

 

The GOP controls all 3 branches, yet they do nothing....

It’s much easier talking about illegal immigration...

 

When you're wrong as frequently as I am, it is a constant struggle. I work hard to not make the same mistakes over and over. I find new ways to be wrong instead.

In this instance however, it was @Aceshigh7 who was wrong about the statistics he posted.

 

I'm dying.

 

The GOP controls all 3 branches, yet they do nothing....

It’s much easier talking about illegal immigration...

 

The difference of course is that there's nothing wrong with being a jogger, there is something wrong with a person being in this country illegally.

 

But neither is the reason she is dead.

 

Seems you missed some phrases

First, its 30-35% due to illegal crossing and trafficking by land and sea. The illegal crossing on the southern border is simply a part of that

Second, the existence of something does not automatically make it a problem i.e. illegal crossings exists but it s not a problem as it has declined significantly and seems under control (as the graph shown). While the wall might reduce illegal crossing from the mexico border, it cannot eliminate it and definitely has no effect on the Canadian border and people coming in by sea. Interestingly, illegal crossings from Canada has been increasing but (as far as I know) Trump has not said a thing about building a wall with Canada

The quote was "major source". Reasons why people come to the US is NOT a source of illegal immigration. The biggest source, as indicated by percentages, are people overstaying their visas. Curbing that would go a long way to reduce the influx than building a wall with mexico

This I agree in part with, but I think a distinction needs to be made between those already here and those trying to come in, and one needs to understand the risk of alienating those that are already here. Also the lack of a comprehensive immigration reform (due to political benefits by either side) makes the problem more intractable than it needs to be.

Steps need to be taken to bring illegal immigration under control, I just dont see building a wall a major key to that

 

Wrong. Overstays are the majority. And that is true more than ever as illegal border crossings have been on the decline for years.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...der-crossings-trend-expected-continue-n730216

 

To you there is. There are good people that are undocumented while adding value to our country and there are some that turn out to be the opposite. That's not any different from legal people.

 

40% of existing illegal immigrants are due to visa overstay
66% of incoming illegal immigrant due to visa overstay

Possible explanation is that people that overstay visas (e.g. visitor, business, student, work) for various reasons (like education level, finances, existing ties etc) find it easier to legalize their status, as opposed to those that came in illegally. Another possibility and/or contributing factor, is that illegal crossings were higher in the past

Also the number of apprehensions has been declining since the bush (not obama) administration, and is likely related to improved efforts from after 9/11.

Finally, if as you claim, no one knows the actual number of border crossings, how do you justify building a wall. After all, by that premise, it is possible that all attempted illegal crossing are already being apprehended?