I'm glad everyone is still discussing the movie. Shows how prevalent it has been to the MCU. From what I see, everyone that didn't plan on watching it or took their time watching it, were disappointed. Which is cool, it's your opinion. Everyone that long anticipated the movie and saw it as soon as it hit theaters, found it enjoyable and feels like it sits atop the best of what the MCU has put out so far. Which is also cool, also your opinion. And then there's just the racist people. They can go f*** themselves.
The discussion around the cultural significance is a reflection of the dichotomy of our society. The overly zealous on each side make their claims, like "It's about time!" from racial progressives, and "It's pandering" to others... while the moderate majority, sits relatively silent and just thinks it was a good movie. We live in secluded echo chambers, patting ourselves and those with whom we agree on the back. Divisive and disruptive art and ideas just bring it to the forefront, like "Wonder Woman" with the #MeToo movement.
I actually enjoyed Wonder Woman as well. Don't see the relation with the #MeToo movement... did she get groped in the movie too?
Wonder Woman was significant for many women, and that was well covered during its run at the box office. The #MeToo kick started around the same time, and both were lumped together by many in the women's empowerment movement. I am not saying that is bad, just that our art is a reflection of our surroundings. Many women saw a strong female lead, in a female written and directed film, with a predominantly female cast, become a global hit. They cheered it's success for the exact same reasons that many African Americans cheered the success of Black Panther, which had a predominantly black cast, black lead, and black characters. In both cases, people had strong emotional connections with the themes portrayed in the art. It is nothing new, it just happened to two groups that tend to feel that they don't get the respect they deserve.
The thing that always amuses me is the dudes that are very obviously racist but seem to somehow believe they're just "enlightened" in some way? It's like they don't have mirrors around their house or something. 'No no, I'm not racist, I just know more than all of you!'
They didn't push that nearly as much as Sony did with Ghostbusters which didn't even have a girl director like WW. Probably because Ghostbusters was a turd and WW was the best thing DC has done in the Man of Steel world.
ghostbustettes was a gimmick "girl power" movie. weird that some people (hopefully not here) fell for their bullpoop.
With the troubles they've run into lately and the Black Panther being gone now, she might become more serious now that she's suffered loss. if that were to happen, it'd be believable.
Yeah there was a moment during WW that would have completely changed my mind about it, but they did the right thing. The scene taking place at "No Man's Land" was a perfect set up for a ridiculous scene where they say "You can't go out there, it's no man's land, no one could survive" and she'd say something stupid like "But I'm no man!!!!". Instead, they treated her like an adult and when they had the perfect set up for the "wahmen's power" moment she gave a response that could have been said by ANY super hero, and reiterated that they had to help those people......and in the process you got the imagery that you wanted, a woman crossing "no man's land" without beating the audience over the head with it to the point where they hate you. They didn't make her action specifically about her gender, she just did a superhero thing and they never specifically mention that she's a woman doing it, it could have been just about any super hero (with the right powers to survive) and the scene wouldn't have had to be any different.. IMO that was the perfect way to handle it and it is part of the reason why it's still the most likable DC movie since the Dark Knight Batman movies.
Much as I'd like to believe that they didn't have WW state "I'm no man!" prior to her big moment for the reasons that you gave above...I'd guess the primary reason is because it would have come off as a total ripoff of the Lord of the Rings: Return of the King scene where Éowyn says exactly that same line in her big empowering moment.
LOL, I had forgotten about that. They actually changed the entire way that the audience is led to believe that scene happened from the way it happened in the books just to have that eye-rolling line inserted. In the movies they make you think that the reason she was able to kill the Witch King was due to her being female and it being some goofy ass loophole about how "No man could kill him", but in the books it's clear that he was made mortal by being stabbed in the back by the special sword the hobbit had meaning that anyone could then kill him by any method that would kill a normal person. Perhaps that's the reason I REALLY thought that kind of a line was coming in WW, but the fact that it never came probably added a few points to how I felt about the movie.
I forgot about the new Ghostbusters movie. When I was reading this though thinking what the hell, I love the 80’s version. I remember a poll on here between back to the future vs ghostbusters. Back to the Future won, but I voted ghostbusters. I like both a lot though.
Well, to be fair, in the Lord of the Rings, the dude wasn't immortal...it had just been foretold that no man could kill him, like a prophecy. Dude just never thought he'd be up against a woman. Kind of like the old riddle where the Doctor is the wife, playing on stereotypes.
No one thinks white people are not given opportunities in baseball (BTW, something like 60% of MLB players are white right now - it's nowhere near primarily Hispanic). The problems occur when someone is deciding who gets opportunities and shapes the applicants that way. In today's sports, most people feel there is equal opportunity. 30 or 40 or 60 years ago, that was very different - people in charge didn't give black people equal opportunities to play certain sports or positions. And that WAS a problem. Many people feel that's how the film industry is today. If the best people for the job get the job, that's great - but that's not how it actually has been and is in many industries, and history has demonstratively shown that.
In sports it would be 60 years as a starting point. 60s and 70s there were tons of black folks in pro sports. I get what you’re saying but years are wrong.
