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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. larsv8

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    Agree, Guliani has gone nutzoid.
     
  2. Nook

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    Trump has already put himself near illegal activity. Today Cohen admitted to illegal collusion with the President. That is a first in US history.

    The investigation needed to occur, the allegations were very serious. The investigation has already proven worthwhile. A number of members close to the President have plead guilty, have been found guilty or have charges pending. Those individuals have been removed from influential positions. Further we have the personal attorney for Trump pleading guilty to charges of colluding with the President to commit crimes. That is quite serious.

    I do this for a living and I don’t know if Mueller has or will find a smoking gun to bring to Congress to bring charges of high crimes and misdemeanors. However the assertion that you some how know this information is laughable.
     
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  3. No Worries

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    Mueller is working for the Democrats?

    Good to know.
     
  4. Nook

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    You are ignorant.

    The investigation hasn’t been going on for two years.

    Second Cohen never went to trial and a jury never decided his fate.

    Third you have no understanding of how investigations work.

    Essentially you have embarrassed yourself. Just stop.
     
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    I guess you had to read the whole thing to get the sarcasm. Here you go:

    Posted on August 21, 2018 by John Hinderaker in Donald Trump, Law
    A Bad Day In Court
    Some years ago, a lawyer was kicked to death by a moose in the parking lot of the federal courthouse in Anchorage, Alaska. That’s how the story goes, anyway. Local lawyers said, that’s a really bad day in court.

    President Trump didn’t have that bad a day in court today, but it wasn’t great. I was on the radio, hosting the Laura Ingraham show, when breaking news came across the wire: the Paul Manafort jury had gone to the judge with a question, saying they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict on any count. The judge did what judges always do. He told them to keep trying. I was exultant, thinking that a hung jury would deal a serious blow to the Mueller Switch Project. Alas, it was not to be. The jury continued deliberating and, as Paul noted a little while ago, convicted Manafort on eight counts of what essentially amounted to tax evasion.

    As Paul said, the Manafort charges had nothing to do with Donald Trump, nothing to do with the 2016 election, and nothing to do with Russian participation in the 2016 election. So Bob Mueller could only have brought the case in order to put pressure on Manafort to come up with some “dirt” on Mueller’s target, President Trump. As far as we know, Manafort has to dirt to give.

    Meanwhile, and almost simultaneously, former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to a series of offenses. Mostly, the counts relate to tax evasion. The only politically significant counts, as I understand it, relate to Cohen’s role in paying off Stephanie Clifford (“Stormy Daniels”) to keep quiet about her sexual encounter with Trump.

    It is not illegal to pay someone to remain silent. The theory here is that the money paid to Clifford was an illegal campaign contribution. Since Cohen says he made the payment to Clifford at Trump’s direction, Mueller is trying to ensnare Trump in that “crime.” To my knowledge, there is no legal authority on whether paying a woman to keep her mouth shut constitutes a campaign contribution. It strikes me as a foolish interpretation of the law, and forcing Cohen to plead guilty to the “crime” of paying off Ms. Clifford doesn’t transform it into a crime.

    None of this would be happening, of course, but for Bob Mueller’s effort to drive President Trump from office on behalf of his de facto client, the Democratic Party. In a nauseating bit of hypocrisy, Deputy U.S. attorney Robert Khuzami said today that “The essence of what this case is about is justice, and that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law….” Equal justice has nothing to do with this prosecution. Michael Cohen was targeted solely because he was Trump’s personal lawyer, and enforcement of campaign finance law is anything but equal. Just ask Dinesh D’Souza.

    As we and others have said many times, what is going on in the courts is mostly theater–unless, of course, you are Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen. President Trump can’t be indicted, so legal niceties are not very material. The Mueller Switch Project has three objectives: 1) furnish House Democrats (assuming they take the majority in November) with ammunition to impeach the President; 2) help the Democrats to win the midterm elections; and 3) make President Trump’s re-election less likely in 2020.

    Today’s legal developments unquestionably represent a step forward for the Democrats on all three fronts. But in principle, there is no reason why they should change the landscape. Manafort’s conviction has nothing to do with Trump. And no matter how Mueller may try to dress it up with talk about campaign finance–which voters don’t care about, anyway–the Cohen plea simply confirms what we already knew–that Trump tried to keep Stephanie Clifford quiet. That may be a big deal to Melania, I can’t speak for her. But I doubt that it is a big deal to a significant number of voters, and I doubt that tomorrow’s headlines will move the needle on the midterm election.

    So, yeah, President Trump had a bad day in court. But it could have been worse. He could have been kicked to death by a moose.​
     
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    You know you're in trouble when you have to use the ole "crime" quotes to deflect from you know, crimes.

    I forget what stage we're at in the narcissists prayer.
     
  8. Nook

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    Stop posting shitty blog posts and opinion pieces 24/7.... no one reads them anymore because they never slow down or end. Actually provide your opinion or thoughts.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Yeah, two years and what has Mueller uncovered? Nada. Zilch. Nothing...

    Unless you count:

    Of course that doesn't include the two upstanding citizens who either pleaded guilty or were found guilty by a jury today.
     
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    Monkeys flinging poo at each other.
     
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    I'm guessing Paulie "Stoneface" Manafort will get the Mark Rich pardon. As for Mikey "The Rat" Cohen, well...I hear rats get the poison.
     
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    Trump attorney didn’t want him to sign financial disclosure
    https://www.apnews.com/417c7e00c0274a3792e3262d22afaa8c
     
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    Actually you might have them reversed in the notion of who is in more danger than the other.

    It’s speculation but I suspect that Manafort knows he’d live a whole heck of a lot longer in jail and his family would be more safe (see British nerve agent assassination) than he would if he gave up information on powerful Russians to the FBI. I don’t think Manafort is thinking at all about Trump since his background over the past 20 years is far more tied to his Ukraine connections than it is to Trump and the Russians are far more dangerous.

    I also don’t see at this point how Trump can pardon his way out of this. The US law enforcement (hardly just Mueller) have the evidence. They also lose their 5th amendment rights in the event of a pardon. Plus the political implications over time if Trump screams “screw America, im becoming a dictator” and seized power through abusing his power which is probably his only choice at this point.

    So to the Trump fans like yourself ... you okay with Trump seizing power like an authoritarian dictator would do because that’s what he’s going to have to do to just shut this down? Or you can simply want the process to complete itself, let Mueller finish the report, and then let the political process decide whether Trump should stay or go. Not sure why you guys would choose option 1 but you guys sure don’t want anything to do with option 2.
     
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    It’s wild how Trump and Rudy have been spending so much effort trying to tear down Mueller, and now it is the unrelated Cohen case which is suddenly a huge problem for them.
     
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    this might be the most incorrect statement ever uttered in the history of clutchfans!
     
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    It’s telling to me that Mueller has been seemingly far more focused on Manafort than Cohen or anyone else like Omarosa that are saying they have evidence they’d love to share.

    Mostly because I would speculate that he already has the evidence that a Cohen wouid provide. He’s interested so much in Manafort because he wants a witness that was in the room with the Russians, Trump jr., and Kushner.

    I’m sure Mueller knows all of what Cohen could give him honestly. However there’s nothing like the prosecutor actually being able to be there in the room during the scene of the crime. Manafort is key to this being an overwhelmingly bad case for the Trumps, and not just a report of email and paper trail evidence that Republicans can twist and turn and create a fantasy land narrative about.

    Plus it makes the case about the Russians which we need to understand more than the greedy corrupt Americans like the Trumps. We need a Manafort who really knows these guys and how they work to say here’s what happened in detail, and here’s how their tradecraft worked that day in every detail. Because in the end, it’s the best way to make sure it never happens again.
     
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