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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. KingCheetah

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    17 or so Angry Liberals!
     
  2. Svpernaut

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    If there were smoking guns, they would be released... and most certainly if Cohen had a smoking gun, he would have used them in his defense. This investigation is two years in the making, and the charges filed and prosecuted could likely be made on half of the career politicians and their cronies or many rich people... see the Panama Papers for details.

    This investigation has persisted due to political motivations. That doesn't mean the investigation is wrong or illegal, but it also doesn't really prove anything we don't already know. We know Trump is a liar and a cheat. And while people are focused on this so much, he's doing exactly what he wants as President.

    I don't think the investigation bugs him one bit. It's his political distraction.
     
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    The investigation is ongoing due to political pressure by many liberal politicians. It isn't wrong that they are doing it, they have the power to do so, but that doesn't mean that it isn't an investigation that started with a clearly defined agenda. Breaking the law is breaking the law, and those who did have what is coming to them. But I'm also not naive enough to think that half of the politicians and their cronies in Washington, from both sides, could be found just as guilty if looked at with enough scrutiny. The Panama Papers is the perfect example that with power, comes more flexibility with the law.
     
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    You have no idea what else Cohen has or what the FBI found when they raided his office. The fact that he turned on Trump so quickly indicates the opposite of what you're saying and that there's probably a lot more evidence. He obviously knew there could be legal trouble down the line, why else would he record sensitive conversations with Trump? Only one taped conversation has been released, you really think there aren't more?

    Again, if you were arguing that he won't face consequences because of congressional Republicans you would probably be right, but instead you're arguing that a guy who doesn't even have the self-discipline to not tweet every stupid thought that comes to his head is too smart to get caught engaging in illegal activity. LOL, good luck with that.
     
  5. Svpernaut

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    I have a great idea of what Cohen has, because he just stood trial, which is public record. Again, if he had anything he could leverage to save his ass, he would have done so. He's been found guilty, and he can't enter in new evidence on appeal, if he already had it for the original trial. If Cohen had ANYTHING to make a deal with, he would have never stood trial.

    That guy who you said has no self-discipline, became the most powerful man in the world with pretty much unchecked authority (because of distracted opponents). You're playing Trump for the fool he isn't. He is well aware of what he says and does, and the reactions they will receive. That's the problem, the left wants to do everything they can to prove he is a dirty liar, meanwhile he's shouting from the rooftops, "HEY! I'M A DIRTY LIAR!" just so you won't pay attention to what he is doing elsewhere.
     
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    If all of trump's scumbag "good guy" friends end up busting rocks for the next decade, and trump weasels out of jail, fine by me.

    Teapot Dome never touched Harding, either, but it sure as hell immediately made him radioactive until the soonest opportunity to vote him out of office.
     
  7. Svpernaut

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    Trump doesn't care what people think about him, that's obvious. Being "radioactive" doesn't bother him one bit. He cares about power, and money... and when he leaves his presidency, he'll be far more powerful and far richer than he was before. All of the policies he's putting in place, and the deals he is making are making him richer by the day. All of which he is doing pretty much unchallenged thanks to the distractions he creates.

    As far as his cronies getting put in prison, that means nothing considering on his last day as President, he'll likely pardon most of them anyway... and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

    In short, unless there is a smoking gun... even though his opponents will have wasted billions of dollars and years of political capital, giving up far more than they ever imagined....Trump still wins. This fight was over the moment he was sworn in.
     
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    Maybe you should look into teapot dome, and its effect on Hardings ability to marshal power.

    Also review what an obstructionist Congress did to Obama's ability to get anything done.
     
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    Does it help or hurt hat Congress is controlled by the GOP and thus they control committees and investigations?
     
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    He didn't stand trial and you have absolutely no idea what the FBI found when they raided his office, just stop. And I'll be sure to note that you fall in the crowd who doesn't support Trump but defend him relentlessly, thanks.
     
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    Because Whitewater and/or a Blowjob is the same as being helped by the country who meddled into our elections?

    But you keep your fingers crossed for your boy Trump...
     
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    Don't bring up his inauguration size to him..... Your boy Trump is charmin soft.

    And this is okay with you? Just let Trump get away with corruption?
     
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    This is absurd, you're arguing that Trump is corrupt and enriching himself as president and that no one should do anything about it because you think he'll never get caught. You really should stop and think about how incredibly dumb your argument is.
     
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    It means absolutely nothing, unless democrats get two-thirds majority. A handful of Democrats are fighting this battle, most know the outcome already and aren't making waves.

    Without a smoking gun, this fight was over when he was sworn in, it is how our system works.

    I am fully aware of it, but Trump has the influence and authority to pull his way out of it. Globalization greatly hindered the effectiveness of something like that making a difference in the future. This is just something to keep the hope alive.
     
  17. Svpernaut

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    No, I am arguing that you're fighting a battle that can't be won. What you should be doing is limiting the damage and blocking his efforts. Two different things.

    Use the tools you have at your disposal. The justice system isn't one of them when it comes to the President... unless you have a smoking gun.
     
  18. Svpernaut

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    Countless politicians get away with corruption. I don't like it one bit, but you don't change that going after the politicians that are corrupt, you do so by changing the system to be less corrupt.

    Just imagine the political capital wasted with Trump. The same political capital was wasted with Bush and WMDs, and Clinton and Lewinsky, and on and on. Nothing has changed. Meanwhile, that political capital could be used on political reform, but the two parties don't want that to happen, so they have these "faux efforts" to fight corruption every few years.
     
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    We don't know if a smoking gun will turn up. It sounds like you are okay that the GOP is covering for Trump, helps to have another fixer like Nunes on your side... on a powerful committee.

    It's your guy, so you're cool with it?
     
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    So if Trump "colluded" with the Russians... just more of the same ole corruption?
     

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