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[NAT. REVIEW] Revoking Brennan’s Security Clearance: The Right Thing, Even if for the Wrong Reason

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    well, I know it's not the Federalist, but I think this is sure to please

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/john-brennan-security-clearance-revocation-justified/

    Revoking Brennan’s Security Clearance: The Right Thing, Even if for the Wrong Reason
    By Andrew C. McCarthy
    August 18, 2018 6:30 AM
    It’s right because he is irresponsible and untrustworthy and has politicized intelligence.

    I do not share my friend David French’s theoretical constitutional concerns about the president’s revocation of security clearances — at least when it comes to former government officials who become media commentators and have no demonstrable need for a security clearance. Like David and many other analysts, though, I think it’s a big mistake to politicize the revocation of security clearances.

    Still, I am even less of a fan of the politicization of intelligence itself. And that justifies the revocation of former CIA director John Brennan’s clearance.

    As is often the case with President Trump, the right thing has been done here for the wrong reason, namely, for vengeance against a political critic who is always zealous and often unhinged. That a decision amounts to political payback does not necessarily make it wrong on the merits, but its in-your-face pettiness is counterproductive, undermining its justification.

    Brennan’s tweets about Trump are objectively outrageous. To compare, I think some of former CIA director Mike Hayden’s tweets are ill-advised — particularly this one, comparing Trump’s border-enforcement policy to Nazi concentration camps. But General Hayden is making anti-Trump political arguments, not intimating that he has knowledge of Trump corruption based on his (Hayden’s) privileged access to intelligence information (which he may or may not still have — I haven’t asked him). Hayden is absolutely entitled to speak out in that vein. Generally, he is a voice of reason even when one disagrees with him, and — let’s be real here — even his edgier tweets are pretty tame compared to the president’s.

    Brennan, by contrast, speaks out in a nod-and-a-wink manner, the undercurrent of which is that if he could only tell you the secrets he knows, you’d demand Trump’s impeachment forthwith. (See, e.g., tweets here, here, and here.) Indeed, “undercurrent” is probably the wrong word: Brennan, after all, has expressly asserted that our “treasonous” president is “wholly in the pocket of Putin” and has “exceed[ed] the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’”

    Such demagoguery would be beneath any former CIA director, but it is especially indecorous in Brennan’s situation. There are ongoing investigations and trials. Brennan’s own role in the investigation of the Trump campaign is currently under scrutiny, along with such questions as whether the Obama administration put the nation’s law-enforcement and intelligence apparatus in the service of the Clinton campaign, and why an unverified dossier (a Clinton-campaign opposition-research project) was presented to the FISA court in order to obtain surveillance warrants against an American citizen. Until these probes have run their course, Brennan should resist the urge to comment, especially in ways that implicate his knowledge of classified matters. (So should the president, but that’s another story.)

    Quite apart from the ongoing investigations, there is considerable evidence that intelligence was rampantly politicized on Brennan’s watch as CIA director and, before that, Obama’s homeland-security adviser. For example, Obama-administration national-security officials deceptively downplayed weapons threats posed by Syria, Iran, and North Korea. As The Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes notes, Brennan directed the CIA to keep under wraps the vast majority of documents seized in the raid on Osama bin Laden’s Pakistani compound, precisely because that information put the lie to Obama-administration narratives about a “decimated” al-Qaeda, the moderation of Iran, and general counterterrorism success. (Since this week’s craze is the Trump administration’s use of non-disclosure agreements, we should add Hayes’s reporting that Brennan’s CIA presented NDAs to survivors of the Benghazi terrorist attack — at a memorial service for those killed during the siege — in order to silence them while the Obama administration’s indefensible performance was being investigated.) In 2015, over 50 intelligence analysts complained that their reports on ISIS and al-Qaeda were being altered by senior officials in order to support misleading Obama-administration storylines. Brennan himself was instrumental in the administration’s submission to the demands of Islamist organizations that information about sharia-supremacist ideology be purged from the training of security officials.

    That last decision flowed logically from Brennan’s absurd insistence that the Islamic concept of “jihad” refers merely to a “holy struggle” to “purify oneself or one’s community” (see my 2010 column, here). It’s as if there were no other conceivable interpretation of a tenet that, as the late, great Bernard Lewis observed, is doctrinally rooted in the imperative of forcible conquest — which is exactly how millions and millions of fundamentalist Muslims, including those who threaten the United States, understand it. Airbrushing sharia-supremacist ideology in order to appease an administration’s Islamist allies may be fit work for political consultants; it ill suits a director of central intelligence.

    Brennan, moreover, has proved himself irresponsible and untrustworthy. In 2014, when it first surfaced that his CIA had hacked into the computer system of the Senate Intelligence Committee staff investigating the agency’s enhanced-interrogation program, Brennan indignantly denied the allegation. “Nothing could be further from the truth,” he insisted. “I mean, we wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the scope of reason in terms of what we would do.”

    Of course, it was the truth. An inspector-general probe established that the hacking had, in fact, occurred. And not just that; as the New York Times reported, CIA officials who were involved in spying on the Senate committee maintained that their actions “were lawful and in some cases done at the behest of John O. Brennan.” Brennan eventually apologized to senior committee senators. Then he handpicked an “accountability board” to investigate the matter. As I’m sure you’ll be stunned to learn, Brennan used the pendency of the accountability board’s examination as a pretext to avoid answering Congress’s questions; then the board dutifully whitewashed the matter, recommending that no one be disciplined.

    The yanking of Brennan’s security clearance is not only warranted, it is way overdue.

    Yet, by singling out the former CIA director, in unconcealed retribution for his anti-Trump political diatribes, the president undermines the legitimacy of his decision. This is important. Let’s put Brennan aside. There are 5.1 million people in this country with security clearances. That is insane. It is undoubtedly true that too much information in government is classified. Still, a great deal of it constitutes defense secrets that are classified because they need to be. If we’ve learned anything from the Snowden debacle, it is that we are extremely vulnerable because intelligence access has been given to people who don’t need it and/or shouldn’t have it.
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  2. adoo

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    Top former intelligence bosses sign letter supporting John Brennan
    Former U.S. security officials issued scathing rebukes to President Donald Trump, admonishing him for yanking a top former spy chief's security clearance in what they cast as an act of political vengeance. Trump said he'd had to do "something" about the "rigged" federal probe of Russian election interference.

    Trump's admission that he acted out of frustration about the Russia probe underscored his willingness to use his executive power to fight back against an investigation he sees as a threat to his presidency.

    Thirteen former senior intelligence officials, including 12 former CIA directors and deputy directors and one former director of national intelligence, have signed a letter of support for former CIA director John Brennan,

    calling the signal sent by Trump's decision to strip him of his security clearance "inappropriate" and "deeply regrettable."​

    "We feel compelled to respond in the wake of the ill-considered and unprecedented remarks and actions by the White House," the senior officials wrote. "We know John to be an enormously talented, capable and patriotic individual who devoted his entire adult life to the service of this nation."

    The signatories include past CIA directors of every administration going back to President Reagan's---former Directors of Central I;ntelligence Robert Gates, William Webster, George Tenet and Porter Goss; former CIA directors Gen. Michael Hayden, Leon Panetta and Gen. David Petraeus; former director of national intelligence James Clapper; and former deputy CIA directors John McLaughlin, Stephen Kappes, Avril Haines, David Cohen and Michael Morell, who is also a CBS News senior national security contributor.

    Morell told "CBS This Morning" he helped organized the letter. He said it was "difficult to get the language just right, because there were those of us who believed that what John has done since he left government and how he has chosen to use his voice is appropriate, and actually required in a democracy, and there are those of us who believe that he is acting inconsistent with the stature of a former director, so it was tough to get that right."

    But, Morrell said, everyone who signed agreed that Brennan has served his country well and saved lives, and the use of a national security tool for "political purposes" is "inappropriate" and "unprecedented."

    Their letter is the latest swell in a chorus of disapproval from former senior national security officials, lawmakers and free speech advocates generated by the White House's decision, announced Wednesday by White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, to revoke Brennan's clearance and thereby his access to classified information.

    Their letter is the latest swell in a chorus of disapproval from former senior national security officials, lawmakers and free speech advocates generated by the White House's decision, announced Wednesday by White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, to revoke Brennan's clearance and thereby his access to classified information.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-former-intelligence-bosses-speak-out-in-favor-of-brennan/
     
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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...d-bless-the-deep-state-if-its-people-who-care

    Former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara spoke out in favor of members of the “Deep State,” suggesting the theory is really a description of career professionals who try to uphold the law and “just do what’s right.”

    “By Deep State, if you mean professionals who are consummate professionals, who understand what continuity means, who understand what the constitution is. Who don’t care about party, who don’t care about politics, who just do what’s right and honor the law and honor the Constitution,” Bharara told Bill Maher on his HBO show, and added in jest: “Then God bless the Deep State.”

    Bharara, who was fired by President Trump last year after refusing to resign, said that while it “would not be great” to lose top officials in agencies like the FBI and CIA, he believed the existing staff would be able to continue its work.

    Trump and conservative lawmakers have slammed the so-called Deep State, alleging that officials in the Department of Justice are biased against Trump and are attempting to undermine his presidency.

    Bharara also offered some praise to FBI Director Christopher Wray, saying the country “accidentally got a great person” to head the agency, but added that Wray could do more to defend the institution.

    “They’re sort of walking the line, trying to defend their institution and doing what’s right,” Bhrara said of Department of Justice officials like Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

    “And also placating a guy who gets angry and upset and could fire them on a whim,” he added of the president.
     
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    The trump supporters are sure trying hard to defend trump's move:



     
  5. cml750

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    Why does anyone not directly involved with the government need security clearance? It can be reinstated if and when it is needed.
     
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    [QUOTE="cml750, post: 11932621, member: 4769"It can be reinstated if and when it is needed.[/QUOTE] this is a likely scenario:

    Brennan is called to testified by either Congress or Mueller, he can't talk about the classified info that he once was able to access.

    to re-instate his clearance, short of a direct edict from POTUS, Brennan needs to apply for it anew. this process can take at least 3 months.​
     
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    "Our signatures below do not necessarily mean that we concur with the opinions expressed by former Director Brennan or the way in which he expressed them."

     
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  8. adoo

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    Bingo,

    even those who hold a different political opinion than Brennan sign the letter basting Trump's authoritarian action.
     
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    Another beta move by Trump.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Because the former head of the CIA might have insight on pretty important matters that can sometimes be urgent.

    But that isn't the main issue here. Brennan will live.

    This was more of a message to those who currently have security clearances and depend on them for their employment to not be critical of the adminstration.
     
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    Dude, stop.
     
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    Two reasons have been communicated, to ensure the orderly and safe transfer of intelligence from one admin to another. And second, on occasion current intelligence reaches out to past intelligence for help. Both are major benefits to the United States.

    Its never been an issue until the trump admin. Of course, we have never had an incoming admin that has been accused of interactions with a hostile country before. And regardless of your willingness to believe that there is a "deep state" and they are" picking on trump because he is an outsider", his campaign and incoming admin has lied numerous times about interactions with Russia and associated countries... which again, has never happened before and warrants investigation.
     
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    Doing the right thing for the wrong reason. This is becoming such a norm for Trump supporters.

    Take this logic to the extreme. Person A believe Person B killed Person C. Person D kill Person B for political reason. It's wrong, but it's acceptable to Person A and thus Person D should get away with it.
     
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  15. bobrek

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    I have a TS DoD clearance. As far as I know there is no 'suspension' of a clearance. The cost and time involved to obtain and maintain a clearance is significant. I've been retired for a year and as far as I know mine is still active.

    A suspension makes sense. It seems a 'soft' reevaluation could be done for reinstatement.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with this action. Security clearances are not a right that people are entitled to, they are a privilege and if you can't stop running your mouth talking **** in public, you lose your privileges. That's just how it goes. There are consequences for former intelligence officials trying to become political talking heads for the media.
     
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    A peaceful bloodless transfer of power has been the bedrock of American politics since the day Washington refused to be the king of a backwater nation.

    It's been deeply embedded into our culture that Americans take it for granted like air, and then wonder why we can't win the hearts 'n minds of Iraqis or Afghanis when we shove Shock Therapy and free elections down their previously oppressed throats.

    But hey, let's have "skeptics" and "problem solvers" monkey around with intitutions that allow Americans to live their day to day because Deep State Conspiracy is Afoot!

    The Federalist will set you free!! Alex Jones will set you free!! Sun Myung Moon's Washington Times will set you free!!

    SHEEP
     
  18. adoo

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    yip,

    that's how it goes in a banana republic ​
     
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    That's how it has always gone here too, the ONLY reason you care about it in this instance is due to Trump Derangement Syndrome.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    Cool now show precident of someone having their security clearance revoked for criticizing the President.

    And why is your judgement noteworthy when the former SOCOM commanders who has never made a public political statement before vehemently disagrees with your illinformed opinion?
     
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