NFL will fine players and personnel who don't stand for national anthem

Trump's an idiot. I didn't vote for him last election and I won't vote for him in the next. The subject of this thread is NFL players disrespecting this country in front of paying customers.

 

Lol. Forced patriotism is no patriotism at all.

 

Yeah, he hates liberals and their typical liberal behavior. He's attacked Dems for propping up this often false attack on law enforcement. If white players falsely accused law enforcement to promote an agenda and used the National Anthem to prop up anti-police propaganda, I assume he would.

 

And your lack of respect for this country is noted....

 

Personally, I like to fast forward through commercials.

 

yes, and the president is the one leading the charge so his comments about POWs and gold star families are very relevant. him and his supporters have absolutely no right to criticize others for being "unpatriotic".

any and all trump supporters (and trump defenders/deflectors) who are worked up over this issue are total hypocrites. yall dont actually care about this issue beyond using it for partisan hackery and everyone knows it.

lol...does trump prop up false attacks on law enforcement and falsely accuse law enforcement to promote an agenda?

the hypocrisy of "non-trump supporters" never ceases to amaze!

do you think trump respects this country?

 

And the perceived lack of respect is based on what, exactly? Because I believe in the freedom of protesting...or not. In the freedom that I do not have to say a pledge of allegiance to have respect for my country? In the knowledge that I know there is no law that requires I prove my allegiance through song or otherwise?

Oh little Grannie, someday that brain cell will re-fire that shows you the only unpatriotic person in this conversation is you.

 

You apparently misread my hypothetical. I said a handful of white players kneeling to protest against perceived disrespect towards the police. (In other words, they are showing support for LEO)

 

Yeah but you can't really show support for LEO's by disrespecting the country, it just doesn't work like that. The reason the player protest works is because it makes perfect sense to disrespect the country to show support for criminals.

 

Also, the irony of the President being a huge Roseanne Barr supporter yet spewing such animosity towards players disrespecting the anthem is laughable.

 

My point is that players would be celebrated for kneeling during the anthem if they had an agenda that many people (led by the President) agreed with. So, it's not the kneeling during the anthem that's the problem, it is whether or not folks agree or disagree with their message.

 

I do think there are historic causes out there that people would think were worth the disrespect to the country, but there's not many....and those causes don't really exist anymore. Saying that you are choosing to disrespect the country because a black cop shot a criminal armed with a stolen gun isn't really going to get many people on your side other than those predisposed to supporting displays of disrespect to the country and those who view the situation through a tribal lens and base their support on that kind of BS.

 

Like I care what you think.

 

Switching gears a bit....do you think that when the players stood during the anthem, but linked arms to protest the President's diatribe early last season, that was shameful and disrespectful?

 

Not at all. Linking arms is merely a sign of unity and it was appropriate given the fact that they were being attacked by the president. When you cut out the intentionally disrespectful stuff and merely show unity while showing respect, there's nothing wrong with it. It's still political, sort of, but it's inoffensive.

In fact, If not for the original quote by the guy who started it all where he said that the reason he was kneeling was that he wasn't going to stand and show pride for the flag or the country it represents due to a completely justifiable police shooting, I think people might see things differently. I know they've tried to walk that back and re-brand the protest by saying it isn't meant to be disrespectful.....but when the very first thing the guy who started it said about it was effectively that it was an intentional display of disrespect, that re-branding hasn't gone well.

 

Also, if we're being serious, Trump chiming in on the issue had nothing to do with his love for the country or anything like that, he just wanted to force his political opponents onto the side of supporting disrespecting the country. He knew that due to Trump Derangement Syndrome that there was a large portion of people who would support the opposite of anything he showed support for, so he forced a bunch of them to support something that made them look bad.

Trump could come out as being against child rape, and there is a decent number of people who would instinctively start supporting child rape just to spite him.

Honestly Trump had no business chiming in and he only made things worse for his own gain.....even if he happened to take the correct side IMO.

 

Trump supporters’ motto “Semper Fudge”.

 

It's that you lack the common sense to understand no one forces you to have the decency to pay respect to this country. If you want to walk around with an indifferent attitude when the Anthem is played that's one level of public disrespect that's indicative of a decline in moral values. It's a whole other level to make the anthem about you and your misguided cause by taking a knee while it's playing.

 

Bobby's post after this reflects my view as well. It's not a logical scenario to do that during the National Anthem.

It is the kneeling that's a problem. It's intentional disrespect. If the players wore armbands (if their employer allowed this) while showing respect by standing, I'd have no issue. I'd still think the cause had serious clashes with the truth though.