[FEDERALIST] Why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Could Be The Left’s Donald Trump

If she doesnt want to have a discussion with Shapiro, so be it.

She is twisting it into a sexist nature. What does catcalling and asking for a debate have ANYTHING in common? She is either trying to pull the sexist card or she is just that completely ignorant on how to draw analogies. Either way it only shows just how incompetent she is and how unwilling she is to work with anyone else. This is very much like Trump.

 

Well yeah, that's because Bill Nye isn't a scientist and they were worried that he'd do a bad job of it. You never want an incompetent person debating on your behalf.

That's not true at all, if she made a competent case for her ideology then I'd be very impressed. Since that ideology is socialism however, well, let's just say she's got an uphill battle selling that turd.

She wouldn't be "punching down", Shapiro has a much larger international audience than she does with one of the top podcasts in the US getting over 15 million downloads a month. I mean, Joe Rogan does better than that, but not many others can claim that.

Technically that's true, but if you don't feel confident enough about your ideas to debate them, then it shows either you really don't know what you are talking about or that you don't think those ideas would stand up to scrutiny.

If she was a more competent person, it would be a great opportunity for her....but she's barely competent enough to conduct interviews answering softball questions, she'd be exposed in ANY debate. Tough questions like "What did you mean by what you just said?" completely cause her to crumble.

As such, she had nothing to gain from the debate since she's a moron.....but that doesn't mean that an intelligent person wouldn't have had anything to gain by debating Shapiro. For her, it's best that she just keep her head down and avoid talking about her beliefs because right now she's got a job in congress all but locked up and it's best to hold on to that rather than being exposed as a simpleton and risk losing it.

 

She understands.

Again, these kind of analogies are made in raps commonly.

She didn't pull the sexism card. She said that she's ignoring him LIKE how she would ignore a cat call.

As Rakim says, he fiends for a microphone like heroin...doesn't mean he also fiends for heroin or that heroin is something one should have a craving for the drug. It just means he enjoys rapping like a heroin fiend enjoys heroin.

So, Ocasio ignored him LIKE she would ignore a catcall. It's a diss and since she's from the Bronx, I'm sure she knew what she was doing there.

 

If that's the mental level she's operating on, it's a REALLY good thing she declined the debate invitation.

 

His offer sounded genial enough.

I suppose she assumes it was not made in good faith, given his lengthy history of characterizing the positions she holds in an insulting and condescending manner. She probably doesn't think he takes her political beliefs very seriously. I think she has good reason to feel that way, and therefore to believe that his motive is only to "own" her on his program -- not to look for common ground.

IMO, she would have been better off politely declining the offer, if she doesn't expect the conversation to be fruitful or that it's a trap, rather than insulting him for reaching out to her. There will be bozos going after her for rejecting him, in any case. At that point, she can pull out the "sexist" card against those people.

 

Wrong. BIll Nye actually is a scientist. So that is factually wrong. Also, the reason was pretty simple, you don't validate creationist by engaging in a scientific debate with them.

Sure, whatever you say.

How many politicians that hold office debate citizens? Since she is super likely to hold an office she should conduct herself like a politician.

No, the debate is completely irrelevant about the ideas being debated. Debating is a skill of charisma more than anything.

Again, an actual idiot could debate against Flat Earth but still lose the debate to a Flat Earther.

Debates are not how ideas are put to the test. You will never hear scientists claim that because _____ didn't debate his position in a debate then that means his idea didn't hold up to scrutiny. That's just silly.

Scrutiny is studied, sit down, deconstruct her ideas. All a debate does is that you made her stutter here or you made her say something she didn't mean to say or you caught her wording something differently...

The debate does nothing man.

Every year they have debates at politicon. They had Shapiro vs Cenk and you know who won the debate? Well, depends on who you ask. That's how all debates go. There is no winner, no loser, it's all up to the viewer on who they thought had the best shots.

It's completely irrelevant when trying to decide which idea is better because it doesn't take that into factor.

Politicians are judged by their charisma, so there is some use for it when two political opponents are battling for a seat, otherwise debate is just there for entertainment purposes.

You can call her stupid, dumb, blah blah blah, all of that is irrelevant to the point.

 

No, he's not. Nye has a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering and no other qualifications. He's no more a scientist than I am. Know what you are talking about if you are going to make those kinds of claims.

Also, the r****ded idea that you are validating a person's claims by debating them seriously needs to end. That's an excuse that dumb people who can't defend their beliefs rolled out. Anyone who was doing it right would be absolutely destroying their claims by debating them.

There are many intellectually competent low level politicians (which is what she'll become if she holds on and wins) that would jump at an opportunity to get that kind of national exposure. Hell you see them doing it all the time.

Well sure, and that's why complete morons like Ocasio-Cortez should avoid debates like the plague. She's dumb enough to lose a debate over the apparent color of grass.

Debate is similar to peer review, the reason scientists don't debate in the form we're used to is because the style in which they'd have to discuss their topics and the citations they'd need to provide don't work well in that format. They essentially debate by writing and publishing papers.....refusing to debate is similar to refusing peer review and it is done for the same reason, you know your BS won't stand up to scrutiny.

Not true at all, it puts you on the spot defending your beliefs. It's at times like this when you can't just repeat BS propaganda, you have to go deeper into it and that's where bad ideas get exposed. I know you love to bring up white nationalists, Richard Spencer is an example of someone who gets absolutely crushed when he's foolish enough to debate competent people. His views don't stand up to scrutiny, and the more people know about his true beliefs, the fewer that will support him. You don't combat a bad idea by refusing to hear it out, you combat it by exposing the ideas to sunlight.

Cenk is a ****ing moron, so I'd imagine unless someone was a massive fan of TYT, they'd suggest Cenk lost.....because he's dumb and his ideas are bad. That said, Cenk likely didn't get b**** slapped around by Shapiro as badly as he did by Sam Harris. Cenk is an example of a simpleton that doesn't realize that he's a simpleton so he engages in debate against his betters and gets crushed over and over again.

No, it's completely relevant, and you know that she's dumb, if she weren't, you'd be advocating for her to go out and wipe the floor with Shapiro.

 

This is politics. Not rap or entertainment. We already have one clown who is treating his office likes its some form of entertainment for us all.

Again, regardless of intent, it is a poor choice of words with the #metoo movement going on. And I dont think it was a poor choice. I think it was very calculated albeit careless.

 

This is exactly accurate. It was a cynical attempt to make her seem like she was a victim by being challenged to a debate that she is intellectually unfit to engage in. The attempt to spin that as her merely being Jenny from the block making a rap style dis is.....well special.

 

Do you know what the curriculum of a mechanical engineering degree consists of?

No, Nye isn't a "scientist". He never claimed to be. He has scientific KNOWLEDGE. Engineering is the using the knowledge of advanced math and science principals in a design process. The vast majority of high school science teachers have less science education than a 4-5 year engineering curriculum. Hell, many engineers teach calculus based physics at the college level.

He definitely has signficantly more science education than you Bobby.

He's never claimed to be a scientist. His entire job after being an engineer at a aersopace company(Boeing) was to teach basic science to kids. There are educators in science that teach science to kids who can't even do basic calculus which is the baseline langauge to newtonian physics.

 

Tbh I didn’t know a lot about her and I’m sure I disagree with her on some things but it broke the camels back for me when she would not debate Shapiro and then wanted to compare his debate call out to “cat calling” and went straight victim mentality which anyone with a logical brain should be shaking their head over that tweet

That example is terrible and a total excuse, I don’t see why she won’t debate?. If she believes in her views so much it shouldn’t be a big deal?. If not just say no or don’t respond don’t go out claiming your a victim now. That just kind of make me question her now

 

Debates do nothing?, first off it creates conversation and understanding second off there can be winners when one side can actually call out bs instead of cnn or Fox News where they all jist high five there agenda

Many people love to say comments without anyone questioning it. There are defiantly winners sometimes and there are also better understanding of ideas and questioning of those ideas. Sometimes open dialogue can actually help people understand more and sometimes even change their minds or perspectives

Many people just blurt our stuff without any real questioning by another intellect. This is why team politics is terrible because the same side will never question each other

 

Conversations and debates are different things. Debates usually pander towards an audience.

I don't know how Ben Shapiro has become the "intellectual" of the right. His experience and education is at the same level of Cortez. He isn't some savaunt.

 

Your wrong Ben Shapiro actually gets involved with Democrats such as Sam Harris and etc and unlike many Democrats is willing to debate anyone which you have to give him credit for.

Debates are conversation, we’re not talking about cnn or Fox News 5 minuet segments where it’s impossible to even get into topics in that amount of time frame

Who cares about education to an extent?, that means nothing in a debate. You can still be educated and have totally flawed views or be a complete idiot

 

You can have knowledge and not learn debate tactics such as Gish galloping which can decieve an audience into thinking you are correct.

You are right, knowledge doesn't win debates. Rhetoric and style does.

 

No facts/truth win debates

It appears your insecure with the idea itself because you possibly know it wouldn’t go well for your “side”

Seems to be a foolish stance, there are times not even winners but a better idea of what someone is about

I mean without debates it seems your willing to just accept something without questioning it

We should question everything regardless of their politics

 

Not exactly. Eleqouence, confidence, mannerisms, appearance and mastering debate tactics wins debates.

When the jury are laymen, those factors are far more important than nuanced knowledge of the subject matter .

 

Lol okay, keep on making excuses I guess.

Yeah because that nerd Shapiro is so intimidating

If you believe in your agenda there should be nothing to fear

Master debates?, no he uses facts and truths to win debates and even admits when he’s wrong and agrees which throws people off

 

My side? You think the world is so simple that only conservites win "debates"? No one wins debates. Go on YouTube. Look at how many post debate videos exist of the same debate where both sides have click bait titles staring "so and so owned so in so".

If a hypothetical debate between Shapiro and Cortes o cured over her most desired subject matter, socialized healthcare, I don't see anywhere in Ben Shapiro's experience and knowledge where he would be considered a subject matter expert in. All I can see him doing is shout "Venezuela!" In 20 different forms.

 

I’m not conservative, of coarse not conservatives lose debates all the time

Keep on defending your parties honor though