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Assassination attempt on Maduro

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by robbie380, Aug 4, 2018.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Same playbook as in Turkey - Erdogan used the alleged coup attempt to become a full-fledged dictator.
     
  2. Deckard

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    There are two good reasons why we should stay out of it. There are several conflicts we are deeply involved in that aren't going away anytime soon and our military is overextended. With the growing menace of Russian and Chinese aggression, as well as one madman in North Korea, and another madman in the White House, we have more than enough on our plate already. The other reason? Latin America doesn't want the United States to intervene there again. Brazil and Chile are the most militarily significant powers in the region, regardless of what one may think of their own politics, and could step in if they wished. They don't want to. Looks like it's up to the people of Venezuela to take matters into their own hands. I wish them luck.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    You meant to say...thanks to SNAP, a very socialist program...

    ...People aren't really affording food if they need government assistance to buy it...I don't think this excess of wealth is being felt by the middle class and poor, they've been waiting for the trickle and it ain't happening.

    Yeah...so again, you haven't named a single time a Republican supported more regulation...it's so frequent and yet you've failed to actually show one that actually supports some form of regulation.

    Oh, he's certainly for it. His idea of regulation is 'market regulation' which isn't regulation at all. He actually just argued against drug regulation and automobile regulation in the video I posted. I mean he said that the market should decide on cars... let's ignore how many lives seatbelt regulation has saved...that's unchecked capitalism though. He's not going to say he's for unchecked capitalism, because it won't be very popular (Does this argument sound familiar...it's yours...), but lo and behold, he's tried is best to strip away regulations of all kinds during his career. I don't remember him ever being for any kind of regulation, I guess his theory is he can tolerate it until he gets rid of it.

    I'll now give @robbie380 his thread back and will let Bobby here continue to, in his own words, hope the people of Venezuela suffer so that he can incorrectly blame all of its failures on policies that have been proven to work in other countries.
     
  4. robbie380

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    The firefighters at the scene said it was a gas explosion in the building that was supposedly hit by a missile.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    It’s an America tradition
     
  6. glynch

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    Major, would you accept that the Carter Center found that the Chavistas were winning fair elections at the same tome the NYT and the rest of the main stream press were shouting "dictatorship?
     
  7. Bandwagoner

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    Snell is a non profit private organization that has standards that exceeds everyone else in standards and testing on safety of crash helmets. You can buy helmets that don't have the latest Snell approval, perhaps a crappy DOT (government) legal helmet, but you know the risks and that it isn't as safe.

    Just because we need standards doesn't mean the government has to do it.
     
  8. Major

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    When was that exactly? From what I can tell, the Carter Center oversaw two elections - 1998 and 2000.

    1998:

    The Carter Center's team noted the effectiveness of the country's new automated vote-count system, the first national electronic system in the world.

    In its first year, the Chávez administration put forth a referendum on a new constitution, which, in December 1999, drew the support of 71 percent of voters. Every elected opposition position in the country was then presented to the voters again in 2000.

    2000:

    The Carter Center concluded that while the election irregularities would not have changed the 2000 presidential outcome, in which Hugo Chávez won with 60 percent of the vote, the significant politicization of the elections and organizational deficiencies contributed to a lack of confidence in the process and the results for positions other than president, leading the Center to characterize the July 2000 elections as flawed.


    So that's 1 for 2. They also mediated in some recall processes and the like, but I can't tell about them overseeing any other elections. That said, from my understanding, their measure of free and fair elections is primarily based on the integrity of the actual voting process. From what I can tell, it doesn't measure anything about a free press and things like that. If the government controls or interferes with the press, then that influences election results if even the government does not interfere with the voting itself.
     
  9. conquistador#11

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    I thought they said altuve was injured. He looks great playing the violin.

    It's actually Venezuela's freedom violinist who played the violin during the protests.
    Come on Hollywood, it's like an instant future oscar winner,
     
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    Yep! People don't give this the due they should. Particularly in Turkey, where the military has a history of conducting coups successfully, and then peacefully handing over to a new government. Coups like that don't tend to fail...and the reaction was so swift, and Stalinesque (they got rid of thousands of teachers and others who might have views opposed to Erdogan and any ability to sway others with that)...yet it didn't seem to be the story, when it should have been. Not that our media missing the real story is exactly, well, news. I certainly wouldn't rule it out here.

    Not the least of which is that it was a failed assassination attempt. Why did it fail?
     
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    Trump is taking notes
     

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