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[Federalist] How Spygate Is Turning Democrats Like Me Against Our Party

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/03/spygate-turning-democrats-like-party/

    How Spygate Is Turning Democrats Like Me Against Our Party

    I was a long-time Democrat who 'walked away' from the party because I couldn’t stomach the Democrats’ anti-democratic antics.

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    By Saritha Prabhu
    August 3, 2018

    I don’t much like Donald Trump and didn’t vote for him (or Hillary) in 2016, but I’ve been feeling sorry for him for about 18 months now. It feels strange feeling sorry for someone who’s a boor, a narcissist, an egomaniac, and a serial philanderer, plus the 37 other negative traits usually used to describe him. But it has something to do with the fact that he has been treated in a grossly unfair manner by the mainstream media and the political and cultural left, on a scale we’ve never seen before.

    One story of the last two years is how this most alpha of alpha males has become an underdog of sorts in American politics today. Of course, you won’t find this narrative in any of the mainstream media outlets. This narrative merely exists in the minds of millions of voters who are outside the core Democratic base: those of us who are Republicans, moderates, independents, former Democrats like myself. We’ve been silently watching, listening, observing the opposition to Trump in the last eighteen months, and it’s been the most sickening thing to see, more appalling than what the right did to President Obama.

    As one voter put it in an article I read a while ago, the hatred shown toward Trump has been “un-American.” I agree with that sentiment, even as I simultaneously hold the thought that Trump is not someone whose character needs defending.

    Memo to the left: Know why Trump’s poll numbers have been steady or rising slightly in spite of the invective you’ve been pouring on him every minute of every day? It’s because the economy is booming, and also because most Americans are fair-minded and think that even a flawed sinner like Trump doesn’t deserve to be figuratively kicked every day in a manner that’s often dishonest, exaggerated or out-of-context.

    Trump ran as the most anti- of anti-establishment candidates in 2016, and almost everything the political and media establishments have done since then have confirmed what millions of voters have realized: these establishments are out-of-control, they want presidential candidates and presidents they can control, and they won’t abide a true outsider.

    In effect, their post-election behavior has confirmed that a President Trump was necessary for this time in American politics. The reality is, there was no peaceful transition of power on Jan. 20, 2017. From the time Trump won the Republican nomination, there has been a concerted effort from different quarters – the press, Hollywood, academia, the Democratic Party – to smear and undermine him.

    Some of this was legitimate and what naturally happens in an election. But a lot of the opposition to him was breathtaking and unprecedented, and we’ve been learning more as time passes by. The highest levels of the FBI secretly spied on his campaign, and they did it by misleading the FISA court and using an unverified dossier paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

    And the unprecedented opposition continued with a fake Russia collusion narrative and a dubious special counsel investigation to undermine and possibly remove a duly elected president elected by the masses whom the establishment happens not to like. If they are successful, we don’t have a constitutional republic anymore, folks. It’s that simple.

    I was a long-time Democrat who “walked away” from the party because I couldn’t stomach the Democrats’ anti-democratic antics. Post-2017, it is like the mask has been ripped off. It has become apparent that the Democratic Party and its media supporters seem to have a problem with representative democracy and how it works. They lost an election they thought they’d handily win, and their reaction to it has been to have a long, screeching public tantrum.

    Bill Maher and other liberal commentators have openly talked about the urgent necessity to “remove” Trump. Remove Trump? Are they serious? I thought the way it works if you lose an election is you try to present a better argument before the electorate the next time and win the next election, and not simply try to get rid of the election-winner.

    In the last eighteen months, the left, the so-called deep state and their media enablers have tried their damnedest to get rid of Trump even if it meant trampling over the rule of law and the Constitution. That is why those who used to care deeply about civil liberties have been mum when the civil liberties of Trump, Carter Page and others have been violated.

    That is why one of the only principled liberal, Prof. Alan Dershowitz, who has been arguing about and defending the civil liberties of the Trump team, has been getting grief and facing ostracism from the left. That is why the mainstream media has not only derelicted its investigative duties, but has been shamelessly spinning one of the biggest stories of our time — how the FBI abused its power to spy on an American political campaign.

    The striking thing is, the side that has been accusing Trump of subverting democracy has been guilty of it themselves. In America, even a serial killer has rights and deserves due process. But in the eyes of the left, Trump deserves neither.

    But the public isn’t dumb. Those of us who aren’t hardcore Democrats recognize what’s going on and have come to see something that seems counter-intuitive: This loud, brash president is actually a victim and an underdog in American politics today, and he hasn’t been getting a fair shake since he won the election, or been given a proper chance to lead the country.

    And so we feel sorry for him, and angry and repulsed by his opposition.

    Saritha Prabhu is a freelance writer and opinion columnist for The Tennessean of Nashville.​
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting. Always good to hear from those who think differently. Though it seemed the writer was moving away from the Democratic party for a while... including voting third-party in the 2016 election. But that's her right. and questioning the political parties is good for all.

    Also interesting all of the long-time and well-known republicans and conservatives that oppose trump. George Will, Bill Kristol, Max Boot, David Frum, Jennifer Rubin, Tom Nichols, Susan Bevans, Susan Cullman, Steve Schmidt, Richard Painter, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, George H W Bush, George W Bush, Jeb Bush, Jonah Goldberg, David Brooks, Stephen Hayes, Nicole Wallace, Robert Gates, Margaret Hoover, the late Charles Krauthammer, and Michael Steele, just to name "a few".
     
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  3. juicystream

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    My biggest issue with her opinion, is that the Democrats aren't handling the Russian investigation.

    We know the economy is the biggest issue.
     
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    Life-long Republican, David Frum, on why Republicans chose Trumpocracy over democracy

    “The Republican Party has a platform that can’t prevail in democratic competition.”


    David Frum, who is an author and conservative editor at the Atlantic magazine, thinks Republicans have backed themselves into a corner.

    In Frum’s new book Trumpocracy, he argues that Republicans are wedded to an ideology that cannot succeed democratically. They have virtually abandoned the democratic process, he believes, and have chosen to support a demagogue who can push their unpopular agenda.




    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/18/16880524/donald-trump-democracy-republicans-trumpocracy
     
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  5. leroy

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    I agree. You can tell by her writing that these aren't opinions just formed in the last 18 months. She's clearly been moving away for sometime before Trump. Did she feel like President Obama didn't get a fair shake from the beginning when the right publicly stated it was their goal to make him a 1-term president?

    It's her opinion and she's certainly welcome to it. I'm surprised by people who have been mostly sitting on the fence, politically, that fall to the right. But there are some. It just seems like there's more going in the other direction...at least if you're able to ignore the obvious Russian trolling of the "#walkaway" farce.
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    Stock photo?

    Lol
    ......those Russian bots....

    Rocket River
     
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    I can find seven articles written by her online:

    How Spygate Is Turning Democrats Like Me Against Our Party.

    I'm A Democrat, And The Left"s Russia Gaslighting Scares Me More Than Trump Does

    I'm A Liberal, And I Agree With Sean Hanity That American Journalism Is Dead

    Liberalism Today - In Donald Trump's Presidency - Has Lost Its Way

    Hypocritical Outrage Over Immigrant Family Seperation

    I'm Not Happy Trump Won But I'm Glad Clintonism Lost

    and

    Why My Thoughts On The Russia Investigation Changed

    I'm pretty confident she's not a bot, but I can't seem to find much indication of her supposed liberali Democrat history, either.

    Can anybody else find anything actually pro liberal or Democrat written by this suppised Liberal Democrat?
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.tennessean.com/search/saritha prabhu/
     
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    Seems like a b.s. persona overall. The invented John dos Passos type who turns to the right in frustration. It happens, but this one raises suspicions.
     
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  10. Amiga

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    Spygate and victimized. Might as well be words from trump himself. Such complete bs.

    There is no spygate unless you subscribe to conspiracy theory and ignore known facts.

    She simply ignored how the mueller investigation started. If trump didn’t victimized himself, there might never be a special council.
     
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    Sounds like one of those I did not vote for Trump but ... poster from this bbs.
     
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    Who the **** is that?
     
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    You have guys like George Will telling people to vote for Democrats in the midterms and Steve Schmidt leaving the Republican Party altogether, but the Federalist found a random freelance letter-to-the-editor writer to own the libs.
     
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    Exactly. You have this onslaught of magical "liberals" who have no history of touting liberal ideas that magically are now "concerned" and went to the other extreme .

    We saw this with the "walk away" movement.

    In reality, any liberal who slowly is changing their positions over time don't overnight go "MAGA!". Real life doesn't work like that.

    You can see this with actual never Trump Republicans who have long documentend history of suppporting conservatism. They don't overnight become Bernie acolytes. In fact most never Trump Republicans if not all think Bernie is still a commie.
     
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    This is what is really concerning to me. I keep hearing people say we need to "Remove" Donald Trump from
    office. He was democratically elected. Put up a good message and candidates and let the people decide.

    It really does seem like a tantrum based on simple shock that a majority of America has a very different view
    than the bubble of DC/NY media.
     
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    *If* trump is "removed from office" it will only be the result of very serious crimes committed. It won't be the result of "gee, Democrats being unhappy they lost" or "gee, DC/NY media bubble thinks differently than the 'majority' " (which, in this case, is not the majority of Americans).
     
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  19. CometsWin

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    The majority didn't vote for Trump. Is everything you say a lie or is that just the posts that I read?
     
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  20. Rocketman1981

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    Excuse me a majority of states in the electoral process that is the way elections have worked for 100+ years.

    Jeez. A lie? What is wrong with you that you think everyone is lying or evil or something?
    We're all Americans trying to protect and live in our country and just have differing opinions on matters.
    its not evil or a lie, its just a difference of opinion.

    When you start to hate others that think differently than you I really feel sorry for you.
     
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