[FEDERALIST] Why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Could Be The Left’s Donald Trump

No, that's exactly what an appeal to authority is. The conversation is about the fact that he uses terms inappropriately and your "argument" is that he has a lot of experience....or that he's an authority on the issue. I agree that he should know better, but he clearly doesn't and you pointing to his experience isn't an argument that he's right....or at least it's not a logically sound argument.

If you were following along from the start, I was talking about what people actually say.

Yikes, that is unfortunate. Indeed you are a bit older than I am. You should work on carrying yourself in a manner that would show your age a bit better.

I have quoted her, you just refuse to accept reality. It's alright though, you figuring things out is not required.

 

Except a court with a warped wall that doesn't return the ball in any kind of logical or reasonable way.

 

Given that the "argument" in question is who understands the term "socialism" better, experience in government would be one way to gain such knowledge. I'm not appealing to an authority outside the argument, just demonstrating that given what you've said about how you understand the word "socialism" doesn't jibe with either actual definitions of the word or how Sanders has used it in relation to his ideology.

Except you just claimed that she said it without any quotes or references. Given your lack of fidelity to facts and evidence in the past, I won't take your word for it.

I'm not the one demonstrating immaturity, see above.

No quotes that I've seen, just your claims that she ascribes 100% to the socialist party platform.

 

So can we find a quote from Cortes for her desire for the takeover of the means of production by the government?

 

[snippage of very dubious assertions]

Anyone that voted for the ACA is a socialist/redistributionist. And I believe that all the Democrats voted for it. And, the fact of the matter is that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are also socialist/redistributionist programs.

 

Oh look it;s the guy who thought F-22's could go on aircraft carriers and then wanted to mace me for 50 bucks lol. When did he get back?

 

In other words, "Leading experts agree!" LOL

BTW, I have studied American political history for a few decades now.

 

I find Bobby's posts to be among the more reasonable and intelligent on this board.

 

I'm going out on a limb here but maybe because you already agree with his predisposed positions regardless of whether he argues with nuance and accuracy?

 

You may be a sociopath.

 

Try the Texans forum and come back to me with that take

 

No, that's a pretty feeble minded way of looking at it.....but given the source I understand.

There is an argument about how he is misusing terms, you can't argue that based on the facts, so instead you appeal to his expertise in politics and suggests that makes him right.....that's what an appeal to authority fallacy is or at least one example of it.

When Sanders uses "Social Democrat" and "Democratic Socialist" interchangeably, he's wrong. The two terms are effectively worlds apart in that one is a Capitalist position and the other is a Socialist position and those two things are incompatible.

 

No, in my words...

It is an established fact among those who actually study these things that the Democrats have moved slightly to the right while Republicans have shifted markedly to the right since the 1960s.

This has been established through empirical studies, it isn't merely opinion, it is as close to "fact" as you can get in the behavioral sciences.

 

Start with an attempt at insult...

...follow with a repetition of the inaccurate accusation of a logical fallacy, addressed in the quoted post...

...and then accuse Sanders of using those terms interchangeably without citation or quotes, just an unsupported claim.

Inability to debate, bobby's got it down.

 

It's not an insult, it's an accurate portrayal of what you have demonstrated thus far.

You merely saying "nuh uh" while demonstrating that you don't understand what the logical fallacy is or why your argument is fallacious in the first place doesn't make your argument logically sound. Saying "person X has more experience, thus in the senate thus they must be right about the use of a word" is something I would expect from a child that doesn't know any better...so do better.

It's long since established that he does that, so you aren't getting any points going with that lazy ploy.

 

I'm just going to interject with something I think could be found helpful here. Not taking sides because I fear people here would dislike me even more if I spoke.

When people say "far right" or "far left" when talking about political candidates like Donald Trump or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, they mean by American standards. America hasn't seen a political party take Presidential office anything further left of the Labour party on the spectrum below. The Scottish National Party would (probably) be viewed as "far left" by America's standards, especially considering how loose the terms are used, and if not, then anything further left of that could be. "New Democratic Party" would be around where Cortez falls, whether you agree with it or not.

 

Yes, when we're talking about American politics, the political compass is centered very differently than it would be when comparing politics across countries for obvious reasons. In the context of American politics, a candidate like Ocasio-Cortez is basically off the chart left.....but that doesn't mean that you couldn't come up with a context in which she'd be a centrist or even to the right, it just means that she's off the chart left within the context of American politics..... meaning with a chart based on the American center.

A chart centered on global politics is completely irrelevant to a conversation about American politics.

 

Well I guess half of America are basically Bolsheviks then.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-americans-support-single-payer-health-care/

 

Lol, I guess it's irrelevant because America isn't on Earth or something...

Be careful, this is Poli science and some here don't know how this voodoo works.

You've ended up saying the same thing I said.

 

SMH, okay, I'll make this so simple even you can understand. If you look at the entire world, you are above the poverty line if you make 700 bucks a year.....hell if you make over 32K a year you are a global 1%er! Now would a sane and intellectually honest person set the poverty line at global standards when talking about the US? Of course not. The same goes for centering the political compass that way. No sane, intellectually honest person would do that. I'll give you a pass because it seems like you just didn't know any better, but now you should so there's no excuse for that going forward.

That's not really what happened, and it's not complicated to anyone but you. He merely spelled out what you failed to understand.