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Astros Trade for Roberto Osuna

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by mikol13, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. Baseballa

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    It's Senator, dude. This is his shtick.
     
  2. rdsgonzo13

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    I wonder if one day we will have a better metric than blown saves.

    If a guy gets into situations more often protecting 2 and 3 run leads than 1 run leads his save rate should of course be higher.

    Also have to consider how many outs a reliever is asked to make and the defense behind him etc. we know how much harder 6 out saves are than 3 out ones.
     
  3. roxallways

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    We'll just have to see how all of this plays out. It's hard for me to feel good and positive about this move for the reasons I've stated but I'm hoping for the best in the aftermath.
     
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  4. RockFanFirst

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    Let's all not forget that the core of our lovable team is still intact. One person, despite his transgressions, is not going to define this club.

    The HEB waterskiing club is our team. The veterans of JV, Cole, CFM, Reddick, and McCann are our team.

    The national media and their attempt to make this an organizational problem, when there are so much good that the team does in the community, the vast majority of the team being guys you'd want your kids to emulate, is a bit ridiculous. One guy does not make an entire team or define its culture.
     
  5. J.R.

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    Convenient as in they did not need another closer...
     
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  7. Baseballa

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    I will say the one thing that annoys me is the praise that the Blue Jays are getting for dumping Osuna. Does anyone actually believe they would have traded him if they were still in a pennant race?

    If they really wanted to make a stand, they would have cut him a month ago. But instead they held onto him until almost the last minute for maximum return, AND THEN made it known that obviously he was not going to play for them again. Give me break.
     
  8. Senator

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    I spoke to a Tor fan regarding Osunas blown saves. Hes got an "anxiety" problem related to off field problems so it has led to inconsistency. But he has been positive in the locker room and has great stuff. There are TOR fans who feel Giles is his equal just needs a fresh start, but they are jaded and just happy to get anything for him. They wont be competing for a while anyways.

    I have not seen enough to place him in a tier, but certainly below the kimbrel, chapman Jansen miller tier. Let's see how it goes this year, both pressly and osuna were late additions due to luhnow gettin into the market late while Giles repeatedly did the same thing after a terrible postseason. When you are more cutthroat at this level instead of sticking to the formula, you wont find yourself in these situations.

    Plenty of bats available.

    I see it for what it is instead of the party line, let's get a healthy O with a bat off waivers and give em hell. What we cannot have more of is Marwin, Stassi, Davis , White playing in the same game with the slumping Reddick and gattis. That bottom lineup is an Achilles right now and Kemp is the only one holding it up.
     
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  9. PhiSlammaJamma

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    So what I'm hearing is that we need is a natural disaster to hit the Women's Chamber of Commerce of Houston, and for Osuna to be caught on video dragging a nearly dead woman out of the disaster zone and giving her mouth to mouth. Boom.

    Or do we go with a video of Osuna and a box of kittens.
     
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  10. The Real Shady

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    Wouldn't mind watching Osuna slap around the HEB guy in a commercial. They should try to work that in.
     
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  11. Nook

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    I guess it is selective anxiety, because Osuna for his career has pitched in 14 playoffs games and has an ERA of 1.04.

    In fact, outside of 2017, he has a save % of nearly 90%.... which is very good.

    Yes, Osuna is behind Kimbrel and Chapman and Jansen. Those are the three best closers in baseball.

    Miller has been hurt this season and really hasn't been very good.

    What relievers would you have liked the Astros to have added? Herrera isn't as good as Osuna. Familia? Osuna is better.... even Zach Britton (which cost more) has more performance question marks than Osuna.

    The Astros had bullpen issues, and Luhnow did address them.

    The Astros primarily needed an outfielder.

    What bats were dealt that you feel were an upgrade? What was the cost?


    I agree that the Astros ideally added an above average caliber left fielder at the deadline, but there were not many available. We also will be getting Altuve and Correa back.

    I don't like the line up either when the 6-9 part of the order is all garbage.

    Perhaps someone is out there that can help us in the outfield at the waiver deadline. That would be nice.
     
  12. Nook

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    Translation........ well, I pretty much already dealt our entire minor league prospect haul away and we didn't have much left.

    On a side note, Dowbrowski had no problem with guys getting in trouble when he was the GM of the Tigers.....
     
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    McCutchen would seem like a good fit. Hopefully the Giants lose a lot of games between now and the waiver deadline.
     
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  14. Senator

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    2017 was last year... you cannot just take random years to pad your stats. He was also an all star when he blew 10 save opps so it's not like it was a down year.

    I cant say make the Britton trade or Herrera trade because I don't know what Crane is willing to pay them with the expected bump in SP salaries. But I do know when to dump Giles and aggressively start scouring the market in the offseason - morrow was my choice as the 9th inning guy after his phenomenal playoffs and he was had for slightly more than Joe Smith.
    I'm over it, the bullpen is as stacked as can be.

    Same issue with the bats, based on what crane can take on , I go after high profile guys to expiring vet guys like McCutchen. Is crane willing to pay a percentage of what Choo is owed the next 2 years , is Texas willing to take on 5 mil? That's a great LF or DH option with marwin gone and Gattis questionable to return. I am fine giving Tucker time to earn it, not rely on him while hes under .200. They wont cost you in the way of prospects, it's more about taking on $ before springer's contract kicks in. I can go through the majority of borderline teams and find guys like that.
     
  15. Nook

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    McCutchen and Choo were not dealt.

    The reality is that not a lot of quality bats were moved at the deadline. There just were not a lot of them available.
     
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    He not above average. He is an elite closer
     
  17. raining threes

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    A solid bat like Detrich would've been a good pickup.

    Versatile in the field.

    Must have been too costly.
     
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    A lot of chatter that we were in talks for him. I'm guessing they wanted Tucker.
     
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  19. leroy

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    He missed some games last year dealing with anxiety issues.
     
  20. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Lunhow just quoted Descartes, noting that in the case of zero, at least there is a possibility of starting and ending something while in “nothing” there is no such possibility. And that if the Astros had employed use of the nothing tolerance policy, things would be very different. Signing Osuna under a zero tolerance policy was near mathematical certainty. Everything ok now.
     
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