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Paul Manafort imprisoned

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. Amiga

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    Pardon might not be on top of his mind given the people he have been involved with.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You specifically wrote conservatives don’t take handouts. The vast majority of the top welfare states are conservative.

    MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    CRUELTY!!!!!!!

    Where are my liberal bruhs to speak out against separating people from their families?
     
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  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    If anyone is guilty let them burn.

    DD
     
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    CRUELTY!!!!
     
  7. mtbrays

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    Smh these people engaging with T_J 2.0. His most-recent act is nowhere near as troll-y and interesting as 2008-era T_J. That was an industrialist with opinions!

    LOW ENERGY.
     
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  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    That's pretty sad. I guess we all either get older or get our accounts hacked by Russians. LOL. Hard to say which is worse.
     
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    I saw the "jail" from an outside picture. It looked like a best western that went out of business. I was expecting sing sing or attica with a bunch of badder hambres. o' well.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    Maybe they should send him to where the immigrant kids are being detained -- at least then he could learn some American History. Would do an obvious traitor some good.
     
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    Shut up pedophile supporter (Roy Moore) criminal supporter (Paul Manaf***ed).
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Or as if the kids in Trump's detention camps are guilty of federal witness tampering, right? Great comparison by your pal there, LOL.
     
  13. ryan_98

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    the first trial begins today and jury selection is underway
     
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    good luck with that....
     
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  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    No doubt. "My client, an international wheeler-dealer for several decades, somehow lost his damn mind and decided to put full confidence and all decision-making in the hands a young, small-time moron who all but walked around wearing a 'dunce' cap."

    Yup, "this is fine!"
     
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  16. JuanValdez

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    He just needs to establish reasonable doubt. He doesn't need to aim for scoring an A+, he needs a C- to pass.

    But, yeah, good luck with that.
     
  17. mdrowe00

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    ...thought I'd put this here...

    ...just as a little bit of a history lesson...

    ...and as a more sophisticated way of saying "I told you so..."

    This Is So Much Bigger Than Paul Manafort
    With Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman on trial, America is reckoning with its very serious kleptocracy problem.

    FRANKLIN FOERJUL 31, 2018
     
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    Jonathan Turley on the ratcheting up of the rhetoric on Manafort's sentencing:

    The best that Manafort can do seems to be getting worse by the day. New York politicians and prosecutors have been pursuing state charges to blunt any possible presidential pardon of the onetime Trump campaign chairman. Various accounts describe state prosecutors, who previously stepped aside so that Mueller could investigate unimpeded, as laying the groundwork for new crimes that would avoid constitutional barriers but still send Manafort behind bars for the rest of his life. The effort to pursue Manafort is wildly popular in New York and widely celebrated in the media as clever “insurance policy” fashioned by Democratic Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. and New York Attorney General Letitia James.

    The public discussion of looking for state charges against Manafort as insurance against a pardon by President Trump is becoming increasingly troubling and untoward. State prosecutors have campaigned for office on the promise to find ways to guarantee incarceration for one person. To do so, they are willing to remove state constitutional protections for all New Yorkers. This is much like removing all of the life preservers from an ocean liner to guarantee that one single passenger does not survive a sinking.

    As a vocal critic of Manafort, I am not very easily inspired to care about his welfare. Manafort is one of the most corrupt figures in Washington, and he richly deserves a long prison sentence. Yet, there is something too tailored, too personal about the efforts by prosecutors to guarantee that he spends much of the rest of his life behind bars. For more than a year, New York politicians have been pledging to voters to move aside constitutional protections to allow Manafort to be charged with state crimes that are based on the same underlying transactions or activities.

    The problem could be the bar on double jeopardy, the guarantee that people are not punished twice for the same conduct. Such guarantees originated in ancient Rome and were made part of our Constitution under the Fifth Amendment unless, it now seems, you are Paul Manafort. While civil libertarians have long warned of the erosion of this guarantee, New York has been the gold standard on this with a more protective provision barring redundant or related state prosecutions after federal convictions.

    Then Donald Trump became president. Manafort was found guilty on eight counts related to financial fraud by a federal jury in Virginia then pleaded guilty to separate charges in Washington. During this time, speculation has been rampant that Trump may pardon Manafort, particularly after a series of sympathetic tweets. As a result, New York legislators called for clearing away rights that might be used by Manafort to protect himself.

    James actually campaigned for office on that issue. That is right, a state attorney general was elected by campaigning to remove constitutional protections from all citizens. James was not alone here. Former Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, before being forced out of office over sexual assault allegations, pushed the legislature to change the constitution and his successor, Barbara Underwood, then picked up the popular liberal cause to thwart the president by reducing double jeopardy protections.

    Suddenly the double jeopardy clause was considered a “loophole” being used, to quote Underwood, to “thwart the cause of justice, rather than advance it.” Underwood told the New York legislature that it was urgent to change the state constitution in order to blunt the impact of a “politically expedient pardon.” While it is difficult to prove selective prosecution, Manafort seems to be in a criminal class of his own. Not only are these public pledges to go after Manafort building a possible defense for him, they also may be building a case for a presidential pardon from Trump. Manafort remains a tough candidate for pardon given his extensive criminal conduct and millions of ill-gotten gains. However, if Democrats are campaigning on changing the law to get at Manafort, Trump could cry foul and use the selective effort as a reason to pardon or commute on the federal offenses.

    Manafort must feel like this is the start of deer hunting season, and he is the only deer allowed to be shot. The problem is not just the selectivity of these efforts but the fact that the other deer seem to have immunity by popular demand. Take Michael Cohen, former Trump attorney who has become a key witness against the president. There have been no similar calls to find state charges against Cohen to guarantee a long sentence.

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    An alternative is to leave the constitutional protections alone. Manafort can be prosecuted for any evasion of state tax laws under New York law and existing precedent, but Vance and other prosecutors should show also equal vigor in pursuing any such crimes by Cohen. As for a possible pardon or commutation of Manafort, it still remains unclear whether the president would take such clearly unwarranted and inappropriate action.

    What is clear, however, is that New York should not reduce protections for everyone in the state just to punish one man. Manafort is unlikely to finish even a modest sentence, given his declining physical condition. He is not worth undermining core due process and constitutional rights to add a few more years in prison as an insurance policy. There is more blind rage than blind justice behind the effort to amend the New York constitution.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2019/02/25/are-democrats-giving-trump-an-excuse-to-pardon-manafort/
     
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    The crazy thing is there are folks who apparently don't see it as a problem.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    less than 5 years
    Eric Garner was killed for selling loosies
    A woman in dallas was given 5 years for voting 'illegally'
    So many poor people are in prison doing near life for far far lesser crimes

    but this scum gets 40+ months

    Rocket River
    #TwoTierJusticeSystem
     
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