My concern would be simply that he accepted such a long suspension. That raises some red flags as to the seriousness of it.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sp...lue-Jays-Roberto-Osuna-Ken-Giles-13117676.php Spoiler [...] Luhnow was not with the team in Seattle. Manager A.J. Hinch said the general manager will accompany Osuna to Los Angeles this weekend and intimated a team meeting will take place with everyone present. Three hours before Monday's series-opener against the Mariners, Hinch held a closed-door meeting which he thought was "well-received." "We're going to get together as a family would and talk about how this all came together and what the steps are moving forward to incorporate him on our team and give him a second chance," Hinch said. "I wanted our team to hear that from me before the day started and it was well received." One of Luhnow's "preconditions" before completing the deal was to speak with Osuna. The Blue Jays granted permission. Luhnow said the conversation — of which he declined to provide specific details — was "enlightening." "All the things I was looking to hear from him, I did and I was very happy with that conversation," said Luhnow, who said he also reached out to "several members" of the Astros' coaching staff and active roster. Shortstop Carlos Correa said Jose Altuve was contacted by the front office. Altuve, on the 10-day disabled list, was not in Seattle with the club while he tended to what Hinch called a "personal matter." Neither Correa, Justin Verlander nor Collin McHugh said they were contacted in advance by the front office. McHugh is the team's player representative to the MLBPA. "This is a baseball operations decision," Verlander said. "It's (Luhnow's) decision to make. I think it's pretty typical that they wouldn't inquire with roster moves like this, ask all the players their opinions. This is his decision." To reinforce the "zero tolerance policy" the club touts, Luhnow cited the case of former Astros prospect Danry Vazquez, who the club released days after he was arrested on domestic assault charges in 2016. Verlander tweeted a middle finger emoji and wrote "I hope the rest of your life without baseball is horrible. You deserve all that is coming your way!" McCullers wrote "this is the reality of domestic violence. It's always brutal, always sickening. We must fight for the victims, video or not. He should be in jail. If you need help, find it. People care." Verlander stood by his stance on Monday, hours after his club acquired Osuna. "I think the thing for us to remember here is that the details haven't come to light. We don't know the whole story," Verlander said. "Obviously, I've said some pretty inflammatory things about stuff like this in the past, and I stand by my words. But I think with an ongoing case as is this one, we'll see what happens. It'll be interesting." Osuna was to participate in "a confidential and comprehensive evaluation and treatment program supervised by the Joint Policy Board," Major League Baseball said. Osuna's next court date is scheduled for Wednesday in Toronto. "I want to make it clear, there is no admission of guilt by Roberto Osuna with respect to what happened with Major League Baseball," Osuna's attorney, Domenic Basile, told Sportsnet shortly after the suspension was levied. [...] Osuna's familiarity with and success against the American League East — particularly the Yankees and Red Sox — made him a logical target for Luhnow, who said in June he'd focus the club's deadline moves on postseason matchups. In his four-year career, Osuna has held Yankees hitters to a .343 OPS in 108 plate appearances Last season, the Red Sox mustered just a .639 OPS in 35 plate appearances. "From the baseball side of it, it's hard to argue that there's a young reliever who has been as dominant in his career and has been as good at the back end of games," Hinch said. Still, another dimension lingers. "We know what he can do on the baseball field and we know what his track record is as a ballplayer and specifically what he can help on this team and help in this bullpen," McHugh said. "But as far as all the other stuff around it, there's so much uncertainty around it that we're reserving judgement and making sure we're taking care of the business we have to take care of right now."
I'm pretty sure Lunhow and Crain, with their credibility on the line know much more about the incident than you. Anyways, a 23 year old dominate closer under club control until 2021 and coming into this clubhouse, I'm all for it. He ****s up again he is gone, and the prospects we gave up plus crap ass Giles is worth it.
RP fWAR total leaders, 2015-2017: 1. Kenley Jansen 2. Andrew Miller 3. Aroldis Chapman 4. Dellin Betances 5. Roberto Osuna 6. Craig Kimbrel (To be fair, Ken Giles is 7th.) Osuna is also 8th in saves over that time.
Lunhow and his staff don’t make any decision lightly. They don’t always make the right one, but you can be sure that they checked off every single thing they possibly could. The risk is well worth what we gave up.
Luhnow has to know that whatever is on that tape isn't damning. If this is Ray Rice or Danry Vasquez bad, then this will be a PR nightmare. The crazy long suspension he got is more than a little alarming.
Certainly true - but MLB also knew more than any of us about the incident, and they gave him the longest domestic violence suspension ever. I assume none of us know about Canadian laws or their legal process or how much evidence MLB, Lunhow, or ownership would have in general at this point. The Baltimore Ravens knew more than the public about the Ray Rice incident and stood up for him too, until they discovered there was a video.
Osuna for his career has saved 5 out of every 6 opportunities he has had. In 2017 he blew more saves than usual (10) and only has a single blown save in 2018. Osuna has also shown he can pitch well under pressure. He had pitched very well against the AL East heavy weights and more importantly has pitched extremely well in the playoffs. The Astros bullpen apparently needed to be addressed as the Astros have added two fairly big pieces in a week.
Hey I never said anything negative about his talent. He has the potential to be best closer in the game. He is that talented. I am worried about his off field stuff. This is the only reason why an elite young talent is on the block. You don’t see elite talent this young with control available.
That's about the same rate as Giles and Rondon for their careers too. I'm not saying it's bad, and I think he'll be fine as the Astros closer if they use him there, but people here would throw a fit if our closers were blowing every 6th save opportunity. For comparison, the elite guys (Kimbrel, Jansen, Chapman, etc) are closer to 90%.
http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...for-roberto-osuna.292708/page-9#post-11910590 All things happen for a reason but wouldnt you say thats a little near sighted? What was the actual cost of Osuna? It was a hefty prospect list and a sour giles. It wasnt giles for Osuna straight up. We do it all the time with the Cosart trade and break down how we got so much for Cosart. The fact that Luhnow targeted Giles with other relievers available and gave up a hefty prospect list for him. We can argue the fact that Philly got nothing cause none of them panned out but the fact of the matter is the opportunity cost of it all, in which many gms at the time wouldve loved to have gotten that haul. IMHO I think Toronto wanted the prospects of Paulino and Perez more than Giles, in which they probably see as a low cost, possibly high reward stop gap. Gomez and Fiers was just purely a lopsided trade even though Fiers(the secondary player of the trade) did add some depth to it. You bring up these different hypotheticals, and I get it, but what if Fiers didnt carry us through that rough stretch, maybe it forces Luhnow to trade for Cole earlier since the Yanks were already in on him last year? Maybe we dont get Cole this year since the Yanks grabbed him? Or maybe Luhnow ponied up for Archer or Fulmer? On and on and on...... Like I said, I think the world of Luhnow, but hes not without his flaws and pulling off big trades hasnt been his best craft. Finding diamonds in the rough and drafting is. Anyway, I hope all is well in the legal case, Osuna can blend in with the clubhouse and we win another chip.
Oh gotcha. I'm not sure how that's relevant at all. I brought up those 11 starts because I assumed you were inferring that Luhnow was just hoping that Verlander would return to his old days after a couple years of struggling (which I'm aware I was most likely wrong). I'm not talking about the starts he had with the Astros after the trade, so I don't know how that stretch from Fiers is relevant.
I don’t think it will. Verlander is a true professional and a leader. He’s passionate about this issue clearly but he’s not about to be part of creating dissension in the clubhouse.
Your talking about a role that requires mental fortitude and we are trading for someone who is not only on the edge all these years, but surely broken after the incident. Thinking he can just put his life back together in 70 games is unrealistic. He'd have be a certifiable bad guy to not change from the experience. And if he does care, he'll be in recovery. It's a life changing moment. So there's that. I just don't know that he will be able to go out there and be the same guy for a while. Think it's a PR nightmare even if he remains clean. There is just going to be a sour taste for a few years regardless of second chances. Literally the worst possible time to do something like this. Personally, I don't think the Astros know shiot about this situation. That information is not available to them. It certainly doesn't matter what Osuna told them. That's all BS on his part and soon the Astros part. Just a lot of slop. They saw an opportunity and seized it. Think we could have done better. I will root for him. But I certainly would have liked to root for someone else.
