the law doesn't discourage. It forces under penalty of law. Discourage would be to tax straws and make them cost more.
nope. Discourage would mean to try and sway someones decision but to still give them the decision (a la taxing). A ban is where you attempt to not allow them to make the decision by removing the choice altogether.
plastic is a cheap material to make. great for the poor. Thus why its used. This isn't rocket science.
If a restaurant breaks the law and is shut down they are no longer in business and cant break the law again. Not to mention that since straws are banned where will restaurants buy straws? black market?
This whole conversation has been absurd. This is what happens when you have a political ideology centered entirely around just pissing off your opponents and not actually fixing a damned thing. Liberals could move to outlaw intergalactic buttrape and suddenly a brigade of Rand Paul fan boys pretending to be Constitutional scholars would appear and say "NO MORE LAWS! BANS DON'T WORK!"
I have asked you plenty of times to show how banning straws in the US would have an affect on the ocean and you have provided ****. I've shown how to fix the ocean. You have no interest in fixing the ocean though, just like most environmentalists. If you cared, you would realize that the money spent on making expensive biodegradable materials here in the US would be better spent showing third world countries how to dispose of plastic. Thats what the nat geo article i posted was talking about. But heres you pushing laws that do **** and don;t solve anything but piss off your opponent. You have done zero research on this issue.
Apparently it is to you. The poor don't give a damn about straws. They care about affordable health care and a quality education, you know, the things you want to deprive them.
tallanvor: Straws are the pre-eminent concern of poor people dying without healthcare. This conversation is an excellent primer on how pointless it is to debate someone who is breathtakingly obtuse.
I'm not suggesting banning straws in certain localities in the US will clean up the ocean (nor did I ever suggest that). I am for cycling off of single-use plastics which have a larger net negative impact on the environment over biodegradables. Full stop. Great. I'm all for that. Do that in addition to switching to biodegradables at home. You're moving the goalposts all over the place in the interest of continuing an argument. This is dumb. If you want to go about believing that single-use plastics aren't a problem worth addressing, that's fine, but stop strawmanning the **** out of the discussion.
I just want to say, you don't get all this infighting and anger with an anti-littering campaign. Everyone hates litterbugs.
Eh, I'm sure there's somebody out there raging about the state telling him what to do (with his own money, no less!). In the spirit of everybody not fighting over mother earth.... @tallanvor I'm all ears and 100% sincere in wanting to know how single-use plastics are less harmful to the environment than biodegradable ones. I've seen articles claiming as such, but I'm not personally convinced (most of them center around the fact the tech isn't there yet). If you have some knowledge, please share it.
even if you banned this **** all over the United states it would be meaningless in regards to cleaning up the ocean. you haven't researched the issue at all. We have X amount of dollars. you cant spend it on everything. would you prefer switching to biodegrables here, which doesn't help the ocean and makes stuff cost more, or would you rather try to actually address the issue of plastic in the oceans? not moving the goalposts. Im showing you that you are not addressing plastics in the ocean with your silly bans. The law achieves nothing but making you feel good.
If you dispose of them properly they are fine. Also, if the energy to make plastic materials is less than it is to make biodegradable materials, then the first obvious question to ask is 'where is that energy coming from'? If china switched to biodegradble material which costs more energy to make than plastic what would happen to the environment? Companies don;t currently use biodegradable much because it costs more to make. Hopefully that changes in the future. those increased costs are from man power and energy. not thing that are good to waste.
