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Are the Euros losing their culture because of immigrants?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jul 13, 2018.

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Is Europe losing its culture due to immigration?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Saying "Losing their culture" is a weird way of saying it. Is their culture changing due to mass immigration of people who refuse to assimilate into their culture? Yes. Once upon a time the US was the only place you'd see large numbers of immigrants who refuse to assimilate into the larger culture, now you are seeing it in Europe. Will they handle it as (relatively) well as the US did? We'll see, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see it lead to just a ton of violence between different groups. I mean, no matter what you'll get violence from the extremist radicals among the Muslim immigrants because.....well that's just what they do everywhere they go. If that's where the violence stops, it'll be a win.
     
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  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    That's actually an improvement
     
  3. adoo

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    the absence of details indicates that, again, you're making it up

    Tiny Bobbi needs to stop lying
     
  4. Carl Herrera

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  5. Invisible Fan

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    In MAGA land, they're the entertainer class that should know their place and be grateful for the opportunity.

    Taking a knee on haloed grounds has been one of the most outrageous things since I saw that imposter Muslim sworn in
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    When will Africa or the Islamic world be a desirable place for the French to immigrate? Or for that matter, when will Africa or the Islamic world be a desirable place for Africans or Muslims to live?

    As of right now, both regions are in a state of humiliating disrepair.
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    I don't know. Let's see what happens if we don't invade, colonize, divide the land with arbitrary borders to extract resources for a couple hundred years in those regions and see what happens to form a definite conclusion?
     
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  8. Carl Herrera

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  9. Gutter Snipe

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    There are major cities and areas that have completely changed and will never be the same. Paris and Birmingham come to mind. The incidence of sexual assault and child rape has gone up, and much of the media will not report it due to justifiable fear of backlash. In the meantime, the government of England is actively stifling free speech about the topic and rapidly arresting or expelling those who speak up. Google "free Tommy" for a terrifying example - an activist trying to raise awareness was jailed within 90 minutes of committing the crime of reporting on a child sex ring run by Muslim immigrants. The court then declared that it was illegal to report on the arrest of Tommy.

    At the current rate of non-immigrant reproduction in Europe, any country that imports a critical mass of people that will not assimilate will be overrun in time. This will produce violent conflict in time, and the only countries that will escape it will be countries that refuse to take on immigrants like Poland, Japan, and Korea. Authoritarian regimes like Russia and China will be able to minimise it through oppression.

    The other countries will all be somewhere on the $hithole scale of increased terrorism, no go zones, local and country wide implementation of sharia law, and persecution and murder of non-muslims. Where you are on that scale depends on the percentage of fundamentalist Muslims in your country. (The worst offenders being Wahhabists)

    If you don't like what I am saying here and want to call me an evil word, fine. Just find me a country with a significant portion of Muslims that is not somewhere on the scale.

    There are plenty of highly educated moderate Muslims in the United States who cause zero problems. They seem to be the Episcopalians of the Muslim world and are unfortunately completely outgunned by the highly passionate and dedicated Wahhabists who then influence the poor and uneducated masses. Frankly, any moderate who does not fight against and denounce violent acts committed by the fundamentalists deserves to be painted with the same brush and does not have the right to claim that Islam is a religion of peace,
     
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  10. Cohete Rojo

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    We? Western countries (including France) hav had these same set events play out over the same time span. Yet Western countries and places like Japan and South Korea stand head and shoulders above Africa and the Islamic world.

    Pretty darn sure that “we” have not been and are not the only ones to have invaded anyone: Zulu, Muslims, Cheyennes, Chinese, Mongols, etc.
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    Ah yes, your ignorance is always others "making it up". Glad you chimed in kiddo.
     
  12. JayGoogle

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    Which events are we talking about here?
     
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    Some people who are holding up Japan as some sort of paragon wrt immigration policy should probably read up on the demographic crunch that is going to wreck the country in the forseeable future unless they either start making a whole lot more babies or start bringing in immigrants.
     
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  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    He was arrested for harassing people initially (it should be mentioned he has a long criminal history including fraud, violence, and other illegal activity). Courts typical limit what those involved in a case can release publicly to ensure the defendants get a fair trial. He violated these terms and was held in contempt of court - which he plead guilty to and got his 13 months. His free speech was never violated. He is also the former leader of EDL, a right-wing anti-Muslim group. It's shocking to see you defend this person and rewrite the truth.

    This is some bat-**** crazy stuff.
     
  15. Gutter Snipe

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    You are going to flat out ignore the censorship imposed on coverage of the trials and then censorship of the coverage of his arrest by the courts? Of course you would then go with the playbook of smearing him. Open your eyes, it is the most outrageous example of the govt trying to control the message in a western democracy that were fed seen yet.
     
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    Your wingnut support for a far right extremist soccer hooligan and drug addict that created a hate group and has been convicted of assault, mortgage fraud, and using a fake passport is duly noted.
     
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  17. Buck Turgidson

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    How did he "smear" him?
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Gag orders are often used to prevent juries from being biased - it is used in the US as well. Are you in principle against gag orders? Then why have you never spoke out against them prior to now?

    This isn't the gov't trying to control - it's a judge trying to ensure a fair trial.

    Meanwhile your efforts to group moderate Muslims in with extremists is reminiscent of nearly every genocidal movement in human history.
     
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    Also include a chapter on the US.

    Cultural Integration of Immigrants in Europe

    Abstract
    The concepts of cultural diversity and cultural identity are at the forefront of the political debate in many western societies. In Europe, the discussion is stimulated by the political pressures associated with immigration flows, which are increasing in many European countries. The imperatives that current immigration trends impose on European democracies bring to light a number of issues that need to be addressed. What are the patterns and dynamics of cultural integration? How do they differ across immigrants of different ethnic groups and religious faiths? How do they differ across host societies? What are the implications and consequences for market outcomes and public policy? Which kind of institutional contexts are more or less likely to accommodate the cultural integration of immigrants? All these questions are crucial for policy makers and await answers. This book aims to provide a stepping stone to the debate. Taking an economic perspective, this edited book presents a current, comparative picture of the process of cultural integration of immigrants across Europe. It documents the main economic debates on the causes and consequences of cultural integration of immigrants, and provides detailed descriptions of the cultural and economic integration process in seven main European countries, including France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom. It also compares the European context with the integration of immigrants in the United States.

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    This concluding chapter summarizes the very rich analysis and the main findings of the country-specific chapters. Despite the very different datasets and sampling techniques and sometimes different phrasing of the questions and measures, most of the country-specific researchers do find similar tendencies of immigrants’ assimilation. In many cases the immigrants’ values converge to the local context within a generation. The chapter highlights these similarities, as well as the most interesting and striking differences found across countries.
     
  20. glynch

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    Being anti-immigrant is just the latest con to get tax breaks for the wealthy billionaires who own the GOP.. Some Trump/GOP supporters don't like their racism straight, so they wish to pretend pretend that they don't like "illegal " non-white people. Of course they want to keep moving the goal posts to make less "legal" brown people.

    This tactic is particularly effective snaring the votes of his struggling white people supporters who live in rural economically depressed areas and states where they seldom encounter immigrant brown people since their areas are not exactly job magnets.

    88% of Repubs still support Trump and about the same percent like his immigrant stance.
     
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