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WTF: Black farmers were deliberately sold ‘fake seeds’ in scheme to steal their land: report

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    It was just a legitimate example of farmers truly being mistreated on the basis of their race in order to balance out the conversation about this potential example of a first world version of mistreatment on the basis of race. It'll be interesting to see if this pans out as a legitimate example or not.
     
  2. Amiga

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    When a potential problem arises that you would actually support (or like to dismiss as meh), but is too afraid to do so, go find a pretty bad example and lower the standard to that. Maybe that's what is intellectual dishonesty?
     
  3. Supermac34

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    If true, terrible, but Stine is a huge company. If this were true it would potentially put them out of business (a very lucrative business).
     
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

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    The **** does South Africa have to do with American farmers. Completely different history and culture. AA farmers have been discriminated against for a while. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigford_v._Glickman
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    It was just a legitimate example of farmers truly being mistreated on the basis of their race in order to balance out the conversation about this potential example of a first world version of mistreatment on the basis of race. It'll be interesting to see if this pans out as a legitimate example or not.
     
  6. wizkid83

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    Let's wait until facts come out.
     
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  7. JayGoogle

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    I won't go back and forth on this as to change the topic but the whole South Africa killing white people because they are white has been used by the alt-right to support their twisted ideologies and convince others that white people should not trust other non-white people because "You see what happening in South Africa?" It's a really ugly tactic and I'm sure the irony of history is lost on those people that like to spread the whole white genocide thing in SA. And usually, when people make these videos about the plight of White South Africans they go to a town that is still segregated that the government has (ironically) allowed to remain that way filled with people hanging on to the past and eager to tell you all about how the blacks are ruining their country...

    With that said, there has been no actual proof to say that White South African farmers have been killed because of their race. This is, not according to me, but the UN. Sure, the rate is HIGHER for them, that is a fact (Just like the rate is higher for blacks to be gunned down by police) but this does not ignore that black SA farmers are also killed and people seem to never shed tears for them when bringing up this issue.

    Now, I really hope you don't make the argument that the rate is higher and thus proves racism, since that would contradict every stance you've taken when it comes to police brutality in America. Not only that but the facts for what's happening in SA are murky at best, one would have to prove the killings are racially motivated, in a country that has had a growing issue with home break ins and murders already, farms for criminals are easy targets. It seems one should wait for the facts or full story before claiming some massive racial persecution, especially since one side (Usually the one claiming genocide), has continued to completely lie about the entire thing, going as far as passing around fake images and stories, it makes it really hard to all sort out.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    If the situation were reversed there's no way in hell you specifically would believe that it wasn't racially motivated. There's no reason to go into it further and it's best if we don't so that you don't embarrass yourself by trying to pretend it's something that isn't happening.

    South Africa is an insanely racist country between the government straight up seizing the land of white farmers to the attacks they face from the people of South Africa. I'll put it this way, the BLM knuckle draggers would LOVE to finally have some legitimate oppression to base their movement on like things that happen every day in that country.
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    No, we won't, not the thread for it. It'll be good for you that we won't though because I have facts, research, etc on my side and I'm afraid you won't come out good from it considering you are parroting the talking points of actual far right racists, that's very troubling.

    Anything you bring up I'm confident will have come from someone not even of the country (and usually an actual White Nationalist) or a literal supporter of apartheid. If you want to take the word of those people that's your choice.

    But if you want a taste of the facts....
    https://thetempest.co/2018/04/29/news/white-genocide-south-africa/
    Also, no one said that South Africa isn't a racist country. It is. Pretty sure the history of it, recent history at that, attests to that.

    I'm pretty sure that I've taken all police brutality reports on this forum as a case by case basis. I've agreed with some of them barring Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, most notably.

    The only thing I will say for sure that blacks are not treated fairly in the legal system and courts. This is proven out by TONS of data and research, nearly decades worth IIRC.

    But again, not the thread for it, this was my last post about either of these issues in this thread.
     
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    What is embarrassing is that you brought S. Africa into the discussion as an attempt to change the subject in the first place.
     
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    I peeked once, because I was interested in this topic. Then naturally I gather it went completely sideways.

    Nice posts, @JayGoogle, on a topic I admittedly know little about. I know what happened in Zimbabwe under Mugabe, but nothing about SA.
     
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    isn't this what crop insurance is for? you insure your crop just in case it does not make
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    The topic was about racism against farmers so I brought up the most awful instances of racism against farmers going on at the moment. It's completely relevant, but I get why some want to pretend it isn't happening. It goes against some world perspectives.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    Its not a straw man. The prejudices there are much much worse there than here in America.
     
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    So?
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Back on topic;

    A little more research needs to be done. I thought we did away with the whole Jim Crow laws. I didnt realize there was a 'black folk' line and a 'white folk' line to buy your seeds.
     
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    Are we in it? At the very least, we're living with them.
     
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    As someone that has spent a good amount of time in South Africa about 8-10 years ago, there is absolutely no doubt that white farmers were picked out and killed because they were white. There is a lot of racial hatred on both sides there. It is an incredibly dangerous place with deep rooted mutual hatred. The level of racism that I witnessed was like nothing I have seen in my life.

    Having said that, I don’t really see the relevance. The white ruling class was extremely oppressive. Blacks were regular beaten and killed by whites with no legal recourse. Blacks were systematically and purposely not educated and limited in what careers they could have. It was a recipe for disaster. It is a lot like Israel now.

    Still deep seated and repressed violent urges permeate the nation. I had a number of white residents (wealthy) tell me privately how the nation went from one of the 3-4 best in the world to a poor **** hole ran by corrupt and incompetent tribes. The truth is, they were right. South Africa was a paradise compared to post apartheid and the government of SA is corrupt and incompetent. Still, whose fault is that? The majority that had no education or power for hundreds or years and took over a nation where all the wealth and commerce fled the country as soon as apartheid ended or the white ruling class that set the whole process in motion by treating blacks like dogs?

    Also, as a white male it was very uncomfortable to be there. I did not trust the black people around me. They rightfully did not like or trust white people. Couple that with poverty and corruption and it was terrible. Still I don’t see how anyone white could see the current situation in SA and blame black Africans. You cannot strip an entire race of people of their dignity, culture, education and infrastructure and then blame that same culture 25 years later for not having their **** together.
     
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    I see the topic of the thread is black farmers in the US, but really you need to be discussing what happened to white farmers in Zimbabwe -- shocking racism.
     
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    I didn't want to post on this subject again in this thread as to give the strawman its attention but I want to make sure, as I stated in my post that the racism is terrible there, I don't deny that at all.

    I just don't like the white farmer thing because it is often framed as genocide or as something the government is doing when it is really more similar to just hate crimes, like the hate crimes portrayed against blacks during Jim Crow and Civil Rights. I've seen straight up lies about it being hundreds of farmers in a year, fake stories, whatever, usually used by people on the alt-right. All of it also seems to ignore the high crime there period.

    Some are of course pure hate crimes while some are just murderers and thieves being murderers and thieves. It's not a safe country for anyone right now but I don't disagree with this post
     

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