[The Hill] Officials in Boston are considering allowing non-citizens to vote

Because they are not US citizens.

If I moved to Paris (or Ireland where I live 3 months a year) and wasn’t a French citizen, I would not expect to have a vote involving government. I am a guest, I am not a citizen.

We can make the process easier to be a citizen, but I don’t want non citizens voting on government issues at any level.

 

That isn't a reason why. That merely is an ought statement with no reasoning why.

Why should residents who pay property tax not have a say on how their waste management services and water treatment facilities are ran?

This country was founded upon the principle of "no taxation without representation".

 

Non-citizens shouldn't be voting in citizenship related matters (so federal), but I don't have a problem with them voting at a local level. I would give Green card holders voting rights.

 

I told you why, they are not citizens. They are citizens of other nations and I don’t believe that no citizens should be able to vote on any government issues. They are guests of the USA or France or Ireland. They can apply for citizenship if they want to have a say (vote) on any government issues.

Your “no taxation without representation” example doesn’t work because the colonists were British citizens. Simply residing in the USA as a guest isn’t sufficient.

The same applies to me in Ireland. I am a land owner. I spend money there and reside there. I am ultimately a guest. If I want to have a vote on issues concerning Ireland I can become a citizen. Ireland belongs to the citizens of Ireland. The same applies to any other country.

It is also why I support fast tracking citizenship for illegals that have been in the USA and have avoided prison. There should be some effort required to be a citizen, but if someone wants to be USA citizen and wants to vote and live here and have this be their home, they should be able to do so.

 

I respect your opinion, and think it is a valid one. To me it is a bit of a slippery slope. I do believe that people that want to come here and be citizens should be allowed to do so. Some of the proudest and most appreciative and hardest working people I have known were illegals in Houston. They wanted to be US citizens, they viewed themselves as Americans and they lived in fear of being sent back even after being here for decades. They shouldn’t have to have that fear.

 

What happened to no taxation without representation?

 

So why does someone who pays property tax shouldn't have a say in how their local utilities and services are managed?

Saying that you are fine with it, doesn't mean pragamtically it doesn't make sense. You essentially gave me the same answer. "They are not citizens". Explain the tangible negative effects you believe might occire rather than merely "principles".

Again, citizenship is a federal distinction. States and local municipality elections are not federal elections.

 

I explained it to you. I don’t think non citizens of the USA should be able to vote on any government issue at any level. They are not citizens, they are guests residing in the USA.

Paying taxes does not entitle someone to vote. Should someone from China that buys property in the USA have the right to vote on any governmental issue? I don’t think so. I believe that US citizens should be the only people that vote in government issue elections.

People that are not US citizens should not have any voting influence over any governmental issues. They are guests in the country, they are not citizens. If they want to be citizens, then they can go through the steps to become citizens.

I do not want anyone that isn’t a US citizens having any power to vote on any governmental issues. It is a slippery slope.

 

THEY AREN’T CITIZENS! THE WHOLE POINT OF NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION IS THAT THEY WERE BRITISH SUBJECTS.

 

I am mocked by the left and right on many issues.

I find it absurd and naive for anyone to be fine with noncitizens to be voting on anything government related. Their loyalty is not to the USA and if they want to vote, they can become US citizens. It is dangerous, unnecessary and incredibly naive to say otherwise.

 

Loyalty to the United States definitely has plenty to do with local waste management services you pay for with your own taxes .

These aren't elections that determine US legislators who determine federal legistlation.

And don't play this "I'm right because both sides attack me". That doesn't make your premise automatically correct. Again, provide tangible reasons why people who pay into local services shouldn't have any say in how those services are run.

You can scream how naive it is or how "dangerous" it is but unless you give acrusl reasons besidies platitides you are just swinging at air here.

 

They were not citizens of the UK and did not have voting rights. Subjects does not equal citizen. To be a subject only mean you were part of a British occupied territory in that time. That was the whole point of "no taxation without representation" - they were legal non-citizens who didn't have a right to vote and yet were taxed.

Our entire democracy is founded on this principle - that anyone tax should have representation - including non-citizens. Yet you want to deny that to these legal immigrants who are subject to US law and taxes, but have no representations as they were not citizens - just like the colonists

 

What if they also pay federal income tax? Should they have a say in how that money is spent?

I don’t like this idea.

 

They deserve the right to vote on everything based on the fact that they were able to successfully break the law. Those who do a good job of breaking the law should be those who make the laws. The more criminals who are allowed to vote, the better. I've been blue pilled.

 

Again..... for the third or fourth time, it is a slippery slope. I do not believe that people that are guests in a country, that are not citizens should be able to vote on any issues involving the government. Paying taxes is completely irrelevant. Tourists pay taxes when they visit the USA, should they have a vote on what those taxes are? Should illegal aliens have the right to vote? They pay taxes as well.

So?

This is you projecting, yet again........ when the hell did I say I am right because both sides attack me? I didn't. I said I am used to being attacked or mocked, because it isn't it doesn't bother me. I do not ultimately care if someone mocks my opinion on voting.

It is a slippery slope.

 

No, that isn't what our democracy is based on. Using your convoluted logic, all illegal aliens should be able to vote because they pay sales taxes and various other taxes. Indeed all visiting tourists should have the right to vote as well because they pay various taxes when in the USA.

 

I genuinely think you are an idiot and lack reading comprehension.

Because I think you genuinely believe in the statements you type while many conservative posters like bigtexxx and Bobby use trolling antics to "rustle jimmies".

Please quote any textual evidence in this thread of your claims here .