Trump ran on picking Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe vs Wade. In his most recent press conference he wouldn't answer questions on the abortion opinions of his potential replacements for Kennedy. Bush II claimed to be an evangelical. Alito isn't adamant about overturning Roe vs Wade. When GWB picked Alito, word was that women in his family didn't want a pro life pick. Has pro life lost to women's rights on a national level. Texas being a more conservative state has made it harder to get an an abortion in recent years, so no the movement isnt totally dead but on a national level are pro lifers as influential as they were 20 years ago?
Roe vs Wade has turned into one of those binary arguments by both sides when its anything but binary. Once people start looking at abortion stats by the numbers, they realize its not that bad. Its reduced crime and unwanted poor people. What frustrates me is that the extremist on each side of the argument are dictating the debate; The evangelicals want all forms of abortion banned and the extreme progressive encourage, celebrate and want abortions till the end of the third trimester. The true meat of the argument is about abortions being used as birth control. Which is ironic that its a womans 'right' to abort any responsibility of having a baby (re: mistake) while men sit by, champion this logic as if they are some white knight in the debate but get railroaded by the chic who refuses to have an abortion and chains them to 18 years of child support against their will.
I am Anti Abortion That Said I have always said when it comes to Reproductive rights Women have the upper hand and have little interest in equality We give women 'outs' from the parenting things that men don't have At the moment of conception - they both made a conscious decision but only the man is held to his responsibilities Women can wake up the next day . . Plan B . .. say they want out . . . . A Man Cannot Women can wake up within 3 months . .. have a abortion . .say they out . ..A Man Cannot Women can give the child up for adoption at birth and say . .I'm out . .. A Man Cannot Women can simply drop them off at the Fire station and walk away . . .A Man Cannot Woman have little interest in changing this .. . in fact they want to bind men to children even if they not their own (IF you married and you wife cheats and gets pregnant. . . SURPRISE . .that's you kid for life) Its not a fair system . . .and this is the only place where the "Well its biology" argument is used - cause it benefits women (IT was used to keep women from being doctors etc. . .was BS then and BS now. . ) Three people involved one gets choice. . . . not even democratic much less 'fair' or 'equal' *IF* we are going to give women multiple opportunities to walk away from their responsibilities as a parent. . . without any legal repercussons . .then we should simply give men the same opportunities. . . . Equal is Equal Fair is Fair Rocket River
Interesting that you try to position the debate as being waged by "others" (and others with extreme positions) and then you repeat the extreme right position on abortion as being the "true meat" of the argument.
For someone as adamant about black people being oppressed, your opinions on women having more unfair rights has always been weird to me. Just saying, not a big deal but uve always thought you are totally off base. Women in the history of the world have never had it better than men anywhere Most abortions probably do occur without a man knowing but thats biology bro. Nothing to fight, women get to enjoy giving birth but once the baby is born they have more responsibility so they should have more say so
I argue for fairness, justice and equality You seem to argue for status quo, willful blindness and divorce from history when it benefits your chosen benefactors. Rocket River
I don't know of anyone who argues for abortion being allowable until the end of the third trimester and it's certainly not a position championed by mainstream Democrats. Meanwhile, banning abortions altogether is a pretty widespread position on the right, you're just creating a false equivalency out of thin air.
To suggest women are unfairly given more privilege anywhere is stupidity Therefore im arguing against stupidity No one agrees with you cause its stupid
Reading comprehension fail much? I stated extremist on the left (hence not mainstream democrats). But thank you for re-clarifying my point.
I generally dont agree with RR, but he is spot on. He also stated reproductive rights. Maybe he has displayed different views towards women else where. But either way, we don't give more rights on one subject because they lack rights in others. Well over 3/4 of abortions happen for birth control reasons. Every woman gets the opportunity to discard this obligation. 3/4+ of abortions are about women who chose this option because they did not want to be responsible for that child. However with every baby born, the fathers is responsible, whether they want to or not. This is the silent hypocrisy in the abortion debate.
A man and a woman have a baby. Both leave the hospital without the baby and without telling anyone. Who will suffer legal consequences?
It's alive and kicking not on life support at all. Identity politics of the right. I just don't see how you can be prolife and then try to take away insurance from kids. It's nonsense. nothing is more big government than telling a female what to do. Growing up in the catholic church, it was a big deal and part of that stuck with me. I'm against abortion but if they must get it, that's her decision. If she keeps the baby, she should get all the assistance she needs for her and the child. why is that so difficult for some in politic$? And I don't know why any extreme progressive would celebrate abortions till the end of the third trimester. It would seem very dangerous. What are the circumstances in which these 3rd trimester abortions take place? I'm ignorant on this one. Is it complications of a pregnancy? Many of the 'pro life' Christians consider plan b as a sin, but I bet these 'christian' husbands, boyfriends, wives and girlfriends who have affairs are all familiar with plan b. Not judging, we men! we women!
I'm saying the stance of banning abortion is pretty mainstream on the right while having the right to an abortion until the end of the third trimester is, at most, an extremist position on the left. You equated those two as both being fringe positions but it's not true.
Abortion has been happening for thousands of years. The legal status of the act has never completely prevented it from happening, which is the end-goal of conservative Christians. Abortions have always happened and they will continue to happen whether social conservatives like it or not. Personally, I feel gross about abortions that are performed for reasons other than the health of the mother and/or child or the in response to the method of conception (ie, rape). But, I also know that certain women look at their economic situation and decide that there is no way they can raise a child in that environment. I don't assume this is the "easy" decision that many social conservatives like to portray it as and I also disagree with their punitive attitudes toward sex ("You shouldn't have had sex if you couldn't handle the consequences!") when they are the same voting bloc that is dead-set against comprehensive sexual education in schools, affordable access to birth control and the expansion of the social safety net for children born into bad situations. They really want to have their cake and eat it too on this issue.
You're back to making it a binary issue as a means to your argument. Polling data tends to be binary on this issue. The extreme side of evangelicals suggest all forms of abortions should be illegal. It significantly drops off at that point once you start talking about the mothers health, deformed fetuses, rape, and incest. It is not a common belief among the right that those forms of abortions should be illegal.
Abortion is by far the greatest crime prevention policy ever enacted. The popularity of abortion has led to some of the lowest crime numbers in 100 years in this country. Allowing awful people to kill their babies works and should be protected and even encouraged.
Where is the polling that shows any sort of significant support for all types of abortion being legal in the third trimester? I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong but I've never even heard of that position having any support. The belief that abortion should be illegal in ALL cases seems to be a much more widely espoused position.
