I don't think legal immigration should be increased. I think legal immigration should stay at roughly the same levels and illegal immigration should be eliminated entirely. If down the line that becomes a problem and a need arises for more immigrants, you increase the numbers allowed in, it's the easiest "problem" in the world to solve.
Of course you don't want open borders. You just twist all of your sanity into a mangled maze to justify local and state police not enforcing federal laws in an act of nullification. Resources for federal law, no wait it's Law enforcement's job is not to enforce the law, not wait it's this piece of police propaganda about how we care so much for the people we regressively tax with traffic citations, lie to, intimidate, and threaten with violence during daily encounters. "Serve their function" their function is to enforce the law. That's why they are called law enforcement.
So Ryan is now giving trump $16B to pay towards the vanity wall trump said Mexico was going to pay for. Ridiculous. Wonder what horrific thing trump will do to get the other half paid for?
It's very clear that the need has arisen for low cost labor because the ones who do make it are always finding work. They are doing jobs poor Americans are not RIGHT NOW. It once again starts at the top, if CEOs of huge agro,food,grocery and construction companies are willing to pay them fair wages, and whether they take it out of their hundreds of millions of profit, or the average middle class American.
This whole thread is about what many consider to be an immoral law, the subjectivity of morality is something we can talk about endlessly. You are correct, but I find it interesting that so many on the right use MS-13 as boogeymen while discouraging sanctuary cities that would be used to help fight against gang members and the like. The entire idea behind sanctuary is that illegals can help police actually get the more dangerous criminals. You are right, the laws of Nazi Germany and Pre-Civil War America were terrible laws and should not be compared to Sanctuary Cities...but the argument I'd make is that nuance can be seen here too. That merely being an Illegal Immigrant is not the same as being a murderer. Just saying that they are all criminals and should all be treated as criminals eliminates that nuance and doesn't make things any easier for anyone. I've never seen a Democrat run on open borders, can you bring up one, as in a major Democrat and not some fringe candidate, that has? Again, I won't take your word for it. Examples? If we are going to have any kind of political discourse we have to establish what the other side ACTUALLY believes and not just attribute their beliefs to some evil intent. If they deported illegal immigrants then immigration would not have been an issue at all the past 60 years. Both Republican AND Democratic administrations failed to find a solution here, the fact is they are here, while they are here it would be nice if they reported crimes and worked with the police to get the actual bad illegal immigrants out of the country.
The market will adapt to no longer exploiting people just as it did after slavery was abolished. Either they will pay people an acceptable wage for that work or they'll go out of business......or, you're just wrong that Americans won't do that work if they truly had the option. When you market the jobs to illegals, that's who you end up hiring. Also, legal immigrants aren't those who take those types of jobs and get exploited by those companies, illegal immigrants are so talking about legal immigration does nothing for those industries.
The auditing process would have to change, it wouldnt be about taking the best and the brightest. You have to take in the poor from other countries willing to do low level blue collar. Americans aren't going to obscure parts of Oregon to clean fish or pick apart oyster shells for $10-12 an hour. They would rather complain about things on twitter and use food stamps. These workers help the situation overall if the business leaders at the top make minor concessions that they might feel are not truly capitalistic.
That's not really true though. It's about what the DNC has propped up as a wedge issue causing people to make foolish claims that they don't really believe due to tribalism. You yourself said that you didn't oppose a law against illegally entering the country....so which is it, that having laws against illegal entry is "immoral" or that you can have laws so long as you never enforce them? Either way it doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm not suggesting that they are murderers or that they be treated as such, but they are all criminals in that they willfully violated the law just the same as anyone else and IMO they should be treated the same. If you are arrested for a misdemeanor that carries a 6 month sentence, you don't get to take your kids with you to jail....why should illegal immigrants be allowed to? That's always been my argument. As of right now they aren't allowed to openly admit the stance, so they hide their intentions behind policy that would merely create de facto open borders. It's very similar to how those on the fringes of the left supported universal healthcare 20 years ago, they were just forced to lie about it because it was seen as too radical....today almost all of them support it so they can be more honest about it.
Again, i reject the idea that there aren't Americans willing to do "low level blue collar" work.....when we're talking about jobs that actually pay at least minimum wage. If you are talking about how illegal immigrants are exploited and paid less than that, you are talking about something that is wrong and needs to be eliminated, not just replacing one class of immigrants with another. The market will take care of itself, if there is a need and demand is high enough, you'll find workers.
And why can't the trump administration get there story straight, especially on such an important topic. Here you have one spokesperson say this: And here you have two different agencies responsible for implementing policy doing this:
Eh, I'm not going to go round and round again. I said my bit. I thought I was clear. You obviously disagree or at any rate oppose. Let's move on.
Lately more white people in more states have died than have been birthed. america needs workers, we need immigrants we always have. closing our borders solves what exactly?
Well there's no context, like how long they were there. second they are not separated from their family. third the numbers of this occurring is not as high then. this also doesn't justify trump creating a zero tolerance policy making situations like these worse. an instance of this happening during Obama which we already know happened does not justify trump and separating families.
