Or......if you don't even attempt to catch people breaking the law and actively ignore those you accidentally encounter, then you can claim that the problem solved itself and no one broke the law anymore as evidenced by the lack of arrests for that crime. I think that's the plan our friends on the absolute fringes of the left would prefer.
At a certain point you are just being straight up disengenous even with explict graph information from border security. Look at the graph. The years 11, 12, 13, 15 and 16 are literally the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth lowest since 1980. It makes more sense that 17 being the first lowest follows a recent trend more so than a new president being the sole cause.
your story makes less sense if you don't ignore FYTD 2018 data. Trump has by all report been harsh long before this new zero tolerance.
That is just flat out false. Even when they did "catch and release", it was still documented as those catched and released were given a courts summons. They don't shred those summons dude... and when they violate those court summons by not showing up they then are criminally charged and it counts towards their numbers . Such blatantly false right wing propaganda.
Agreed. According to this article: and this: and this: Pretty impressive. Especially when you consider in the chart you presented, approximately 15 million arrests took place over 17 years. Makes you wonder how many never got arrested who are here now. 20 million? More?
You are confusing two entirely different sets of data. The numbers you provide are for arrests within the interior of the country for undocumented immigrants who've been here for a while. The numbers I provide are from Border Patrol at our border. When you get caught at the border, you get detained and deported even under Obama. At worst you get a courts summons and are releasedr from custody which still is counted under those numbers as they are arrested at a certain point. The Border Patrol numbers being at record lows under Obama arent about selective enforcement. The ICE arrests are as now they arresting undocumented migrants who've settled here who have only committed their immigration offense rather than some other criminal offense .
I didn't confuse them at all. I simply brought forth more data from the article you linked. I also made no claims (aside from calling the changes impressive). I merely quoted the article's claims that: 1. Trump ordered immigration agents to change their priorities. 2. Some immigrants in shelters in Mexican border cities say they are now afraid to cross because of tough talk coming from Washington and stepped-up arrests in the interior. Certainly Obama appears to have been more successful at reducing border crossings than Bush had. The reasons for that are probably multi faceted, but regardless it is welcome news.
I have said that if we allow this to stand, the next step is much worse. The reason I’m repeating this is we are already witnessing the rationalization for either supporting or turning a blind eye toward basic human right violation in our own country. This is how it starts... the propaganda is already effective and has spread. Good ole folks are already rationalizing away cruel and harmful actions toward children by our government.
Doctors and lawyers who have visited the shelters said the facilities were fine, clean and safe, but the kids — who have no idea where their parents are — were hysterical, crying and acting out. "The shelters aren't the problem, it's taking kids from their parents that's the problem," said South Texas pediatrician Marsha Griffin who has visited many. Alicia Lieberman, who runs the Early Trauma Treatment Network at University of California, San Francisco, said decades of study show early separations can cause permanent emotional damage. "Children are biologically programmed to grow best in the care of a parent figure. When that bond is broken through long and unexpected separations with no set timeline for reunion, children respond at the deepest physiological and emotional levels," she said. "Their fear triggers a flood of stress hormones that disrupt neural circuits in the brain, create high levels of anxiety, make them more susceptible to physical and emotional illness, and damage their capacity to manage their emotions, trust people, and focus their attention on age-appropriate activities."
Amazing the depths trump and his supporters go to defend trump's policy to separate children from their families... here's former republican congressman and convicted felon michael grimm comparing the horrific audio of the imprisoned children crying to "leaving children at day care"...
And another in trump's inner circle... how anyone with children, or children with special needs of any type, can see this and not be outraged...
And for those in Border Patrol or other front line positions... those that have directed you into this are already planning their legal outs...
2300 children separated from parents is the new estimate according to NPR's morning news on the radio on my way to class.
I know other studies that speak to the same have been mentioned here... Two charts demolish the notion that immigrants here illegally commit more crime https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.76b61481c3f3
Let's recall that this whole conversation is about how we should feel about a young disabled child being forcibly separated from her mother. Your argument amounts to: "Well, the state levies penalty X for the violation committed by the mother, which is roughly the same as these other violations, and we wouldn't have any problem with child separation for those other violations." Two major problems: 1. It assumes that how we feel about treatment during prosecution should be purely based on the severity of the penalty for the violation dictated by the state, rather than on our own individual sense of the severity of the violation. 2. It ignores the circumstances of the family. In particular, whether the child can be kept in the care of a known family member or close personal acquaintance or not. I've argued from the beginning that separation is not fundamentally the problem I have with this, but rather the manner of separation. The system is broken if its resulting in so many cases of family separation where contact is completely lost. It is especially cruel if we're talking about disabled children being forcibly separated from their mother under this condition.
