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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. texans1095

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    I don’t have anything against criticizing him. I have everything against the extent of the criticism for giving a played the day off in the middle of June and the fact that the criticism likely wouldn’t be very strong if there wasn’t a long winning streak on the line. But that’s all I’ll say about that.
     
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  2. hieuytran

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    What if he hit a walk off? There’s lots of ifs

    If he was nursing an injury or something then sure but you play to win the game...if not then don’t pitch JV 122 pitches bc that probably has more lasting affects then a pinch hit at bat
     
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  3. Amshirvani

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    I just hate losing a JV game especially with as well as he pitched. And I’m tired of Jake. Otherwise whatever—we were due for a loss. Win the series tomorrow and keep the momentum going
     
  4. T for 3

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    You put reddick in the outfield for marisnick....McCann at first for white. Live with the results. If he gets a hit we tie. If he walks you turn the lineup over with the winning run in scoring position.
     
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  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Managers have to play the long game, that's their job. Fans can cry about every single individual game, that's our "job" I guess. Of course the Stros are all pissed they lost tonight, more pissed than you and I are. They'll get over it, you should to.

    Wednesday is another game. Go win it.
     
  6. cardpire

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    what am i missing? is he injured?

    if they just walk him then a base hit wins the game, if you don't score, then the game is over, if you play an extra few innings then they may win or lose?
     
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    People have been clamoring for white to start? Who are they and what is wrong with them?
     
  8. tmactoyao

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    yes, but that's why i keep mentioning context.

    i'll take benching altuve against the right-handed eovaldi on wednesday where he'll have BACK to BACK days off than benching him against a lefty, then having him playing, then another day off. or even monday where he's going up against numerous pitchers he has to account for, on his first day home after a long road trip. to me, it seems those were more ideal candidates for rest than tuesday.

    i already mentioned i was over it, just having a simple discussion on why i disagreed with his decision.
     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    Yall are exasperating. "A game in June vs a game in August"....

    I'll let @cardpire explain why the "games back in the loss column" is actually a useful thing to track

    Will check in for results later.
     
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  10. T for 3

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    The managers should play the long game....hinch is a good manager. But he is not exempt from criticism on a game to game basis. And the bottom line is, he made some strange decisions tonight...
     
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    Hinch inexplicably writes Jake's name on the lineup card again tonight, and yet again he ends up leaving multiple runners on base in key situations. I don't understand why he pinch ran with Reddick first of all. Gattis would've been able to score on a gapper. Then I really don't understand how Marisnick is left in the game to hit in the last AB instead of using McCann. Sorry, but Jake is not a major league caliber player at this point. He's not going to be on the playoff roster.

    Also, WTF with playing Yuli at third. There were two plays that Bregman would've made had he been at third. This game was extremely frustrating from the get go. Springer should've never been sent in the first inning also. Ugh.
     
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    I'd like to see him benched for a couple of games for this. It's a consistent pattern where he throws a fit every time he doesn't like a called third strike. He finally got dinged for it and on a terrible night for it. He needs to grow up.
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Strap on your seatbelts. The Astros will lose another 30+ games the remainder of this season.
     
  14. Major

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    This year, Atluve has a 0.900+ OPS against righties and is barely at 0.700 against lefties. Why would you want to bench him against the righty instead of the lefty? Especially when the goal is largely to get playing time for guys who are (theoretically) better against lefties?
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If you don’t understand why he pinch ran Reddick for Gattis in the 9th inning of a game they were losing by a run, then I really don’t know what to say. Reddick runs 1 foot/second faster than Gattis. Reddick would beat Gattis from first to home by about half a second. Might not seem like much, but clearly an advantage.
     
  16. Major

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    Realistically, he's more likely to be useful in the playoffs than he is now - as a pinch-runner and late inning defensive sub anytime the Astros have a lead.
     
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    I am extremely disappointed in a lack of Stolen Bases of George Springer, He had 40 stolen bases in AAA. Now he forgot how to steal a base his whole career as an Astro. Bregman, Altuve, Correa low Stolen Bases. Hinch and coaches need to figure it out. Other AAA hitters deserve a call up. Tucker deserved to be on the team since Spring Training. The whole contract until being called up really gets me angry.
     
  19. tmactoyao

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    Eovaldi has allowed a .446 OPS to righties compared to .762 OPS for lefties. He is a worse pitcher than Snell and has given up plenty of runs his past 3 games, so it's easier for other batters to hit him than Snell. Tuve is also 2-12 against him with a .397 OPS.

    Snell is allowing a .684 OPS to righties, .386 OPS to lefties. Has shut down every offense except the Yankees and a bad day against the O's. Tuve is 3-7 against him with a 1.786 OPS.

    It's pretty obvious why I'd rather have Tuve in against Snell than Tuve in against Eovaldi, not to mention the rest day. Why would I put in considerably worse batters against an ace? Even if Tuve wasn't hitting lefties and Snell well, he's still significantly a better offensive threat. You bench him against Eovaldi, it's way easier for other players to make up for his offense.
     
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  20. Major

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    Right - but you're not replacing Altuve with a lefty, so the pitcher L/R splits aren't relevant. In either case, Snell is facing a righty. It's just that by putting in a White instead of Altuve vs Snell instead of Eovaldi, you're maximizing your players - you're getting Altuve against a righty and White against a lefty, where each of them is expected to do their best. If you flip it, you get each of our players in a worse situation. If you're going to rest Altuve one of the days, you do it when he would be expected to perform the worst and his replacement would be expected to play the best.

    (The pitcher vs hitter stats are meaningless to me because of small sample sizes. That's generally going to be attributed to statistical noise unless we get players doing things like batting 0.400 or 0.100 in 30+ ABs).
     

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