Cruelty

republican governor pulls Maryland's resources from trump... other states are as well...

Republican Maryland governor recalls Guard resources from border over family separations

http://thehill.com/latino/393008-re...-border-over-family?__twitter_impression=true

 

I was insulted first. Go back and look at the sequence.

 

So this has been happening since the 90’s?

Damn you Trump.

 

Damn those Godless liberals and their endless whining for Family Values!

When you commit a misdemeanor, you know what you're getting into!!

 

My understanding is that this did happen in the Obama era to a limited extent. Most families were beneficiaries of "Catch and Release" -- after processing, they got a court date and let go and then they'd mostly disappear and join the ranks of illegals in our country. If there was a compelling reason to prosecute as a criminal, the parents would be indicted and the kids would go into the government's care until some suitable guardian was found. And of course there were the unaccompanied minors (still are now, though unaccompanieds would trend toward the older ages) who have to be cared for the same way. In those cases where the government was taking custody of children, I'd say it probably caused the same sort of trauma and it should be avoided if we can avoid it. Anyone correct me if I misunderstand.

So what's different is the prosecutorial discretion. Obama's DOJ default was Catch and Release unless there was a reason to do otherwise. Trump's DOJ default is to prosecute all cases. So the impact is multiplied. The trauma is no longer limited to unavoidable cases. They made a unilateral choice to subject all border jumpers to this consequence. Given the adverse and long term effects it has on kids as attested by many experts, it would seem to me that the moral obligation is to minimize the footprint of this consequence. If you have to do it occasionally because a family came over with 10 kilos of coke or a 'father' who is a known and wanted coyote or whatever, then fine I'll buy the "we didn't have a choice" argument. But to say that doing it occasionally for compelling cases is the moral equivalent of doing it for every case isn't right. That's what the Trump Admin wants to imply with this rationale, and I can't really accept that.

 

I’m Latino. How can I be racist against Latinos? I’m certainly not a self-loathing person.

I’m an American and supporter of American nationalism first and foremost and that’s infinitely more important than the color of one’s skin. I appreciate and respect all Americans and legal immigrants who appreciate and want the best for this country and support the rule of law. And I despise all scum, be they Americans, illegal foreigners and otherwise, who are willing to disregard the sovereignty of this nation and provide complicit support to the invasion and destruction of this country.

 

nikki haley was floating the US leaving the United Nations Humans Right Council last week. Still... the timing of the actual announcement looks bad. Heck, leaving the Human Rights Council looks bad...

 

Good explanation.

I just read it was happening in 97'(not sure how accurate that is).

Either way, Obama wasn't crucified for this in any case. Why now?

I think it has gotten enough pub that a change may occur. It will be interesting to see what happens moving forward.

 

"illegal immigrants ... to pour into and infest our country," - Donald Trump today

Yeah...... I don't see how anyone cannot see what Trump is doing here.
We have seen the dehumanization of groups of people before and why that is being done.

 

Again, I think it's because of scale and the perception of how necessary an indictment is. He did get some flak for the 2014 flood of unaccompanied minors and how we didn't have the infrastructure to deal with them and bad things were going to happen as a result. Bad things are going to happen with this year's minors too because of the overcrowding and we can't even devote much ink to it because everyone is so appalled that the Trump Admin would create this crisis on purpose.

But I think you're right -- I hope you're right -- that same change will occur. The outrage has been withering. I see Trump's mug up on FoxNews right now with the banner "We don't want more immigration judges, we want border security." Any other president would have seen they'd done screwed up, but he won't back down. Congress has to make him.

 

Thank you for that correction.

 

If you are an actual criminal then you dont get to keep your kid that was obamas policy. not sure how hard it is to understand the difference. trumps policy is zero tolerance so he's separating children from parents for committing a misdemeanor. this is where the outrage is coming from, its unecessary evil.

 

This tired reasoning, again? It's been 30 years. Get over it.

 

Child abuse? Mass child separation?

You make it sound like Kim Jong-un is running the show.

When you calm down, then maybe we can discuss this further.

 

Next you'll tell me it's been 60 years since Jim Crow.

 

its ALL about trump's vanity wall...