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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 9, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    You haven't reviewed the cases of asylum seekers, have you? You have zero idea whether the requests are valid or not.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    You mean they lied. We have firsthand reports that it asylum seekers have been separated.
     
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    Do not tell me how I feel about an issue. You have absolutely no idea.
     
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    There was a DHS report done in 2009 (before the influx of new asylum seekers) that showed either confirmed or likely fraud in at least 70% of asylum cases....do you really have to review all of the cases to suggest that the bulk of them are fraudulent? As I've pointed out before "my country sucks, yours is awesome" isn't a legitimate reason for asylum to be granted.

    So as I've said, back when there was only 2K a month, at least 70% of them were fraudulent...do you think it's less now that there are 12-16K of them a month now that attempting to exploit the asylum system has become so popular?
     
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    As the only one bringing data to the discussion -- you know, the only adult around here -- I'd like to point out that none of the four countries -- El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico -- are at war. This is about two things: drugs and DACA.

    Get tough on drugs. End DACA.

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    Were they actually asylum seekers or were they illegals that got caught sneaking into the country who then claimed to be asylum seekers? It makes a difference.
     
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    Kudos to the republican governor of MA...
    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...ctions-of-Trump-Administration-485838361.html
     
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    This. I was about to ask the exact same thing. I have seen no reports of anyone presenting themselves at a port of entry, requesting asylum, and being separated from their children.
     
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    drudge has since pulled the picture down, but here is the trump supporter view that supports his inhumane policy...

     
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    I would imagine most of them are invalid simply due the fact that US has a very narrow definition of what qualifies as an asylum seeker.

    I think they need to prove that they are directly being persecuted by the government due to race, gender, religious and political beliefs etc..

    Living in a country with cartel or violence in general unfortunately does not qualify as persecution.
     
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    Right, so process it and if they don't qualify for asylum send them back. You don't have to separate children from their families as a result.
     
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    People requesting asylum at ports of entry are not being separated from their families.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    It takes 6 months on average to process an asylum request and they are getting tens of thousands more showing up trying to exploit the system every single month, from what I've seen they haven't started to separate legitimate asylum seekers from their children yet but when if the system gets overloaded and they need to create a more efficient use of housing space, it would be perfectly valid to separate the men, women, and children into different facilities.

    This faux outrage isn't going to help Democrats in the midterms, find something legitimate.
     
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    More movement in the right direction...

     
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    Then the solution is to fix the asylum system not to separate children from their families.
     
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    As of right now, it's not a problem. People legitimately seeking asylum aren't being separated from their families as of now. If they continue to attempt to exploit the system in the numbers they have recently and it causes a scenario where that would need to happen then that's honestly on them.....but again, it's not a problem right now since only illegals are being separated from their families pending deportation.
     
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    At this point, I don't think it is about border crossings at all, legal or illegal. It's about law enforcement doing the safe and prudent thing. This policy is neither of those things.

    Why isn't the thing Trump calls Catch and Release the solution? Process the asylum application, give them a court date, and let them free till then. Or, if you're going to charge them, charge them and then let them out to await the court date. It's not a long-term solution. Immigrants can continue to skip the court date and go underground. But in the short term its a better solution than what we're doing now. Ultimately, we need legislation that makes a better process for applying for asylum, has a real process to address the business demand for foreign labor, and addresses this huge population of undocumented immigrants. But in the mean time, since we don't have the legislation to do things the right way, I think we should be very conservative about what we try to accomplish.

    I think this is where the debate breaks down. The assumption is that these 'asylum seekers' are just economic migrants, that they're doing fine wherever they are but just want a better paying job. So, under that presumption, they don't see any genuine pressing threat that the immigrant or his children will be murdered in the imminent future so they don't see why they would not be deterred from coming to the border.
     
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    We know for a fact that as of 2009, 70% of asylum applications were fraudulent....and that was before it became a popular thing to do. Any assumption that the bulk of asylum seekers are legitimate is willful ignorance. The vast, vast majority of them are BS, that's just how it is.
     

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