I'm still not clear about what is "inhuman" about housing illegal immigrant families in separate facilities while their deportation is finalized. Would anyone care to explain that to me? Specifically what is different between that and how families are separated when they are caught breaking other laws and are "separated" into different jails pending trial. Apparently one is just standard practice and the other is "INHUMANE CRUELTY!!!!!!!111ONEONEONE!!!!"
BTW, it's no coincidence that we saw the rise of the "CRUELTY" talking points in response to the reports of the "blue wave crashing". Clearly this is the issue that Democrats believe will turn the tide back in their favor but I just don't think it'll work the way they think it'll work because it's not a legitimate thing. Hyping up what would be standard practice for any other family of criminals that were detained as some kind of Nazi death camp policy is very likely to backfire are fall flat at the very least.
trumps border patrol and others have tried to emphasize that the children are not being put in cages... then this gets released...
wait what was the reason for these kids to be separately housed? Why can't they just put them all into a giant warehouse cage with their parents. And they if were to deport the parents, just deport the parents with the kid. I don't really get this logistically.
I don't care what low energy jebb has to say. He only likes mexicans because he's MARRIED to one! we took those (even me) as funny jabs as they happened. Looking at the facilities, they look better and cleaner than the ones I've been to in 2007(bush) and 2011(obama),my sister is one of those Matlocks, represents immigration cases. If I was traveling alone as a 16 year old to the border and got caught, I would not mind being there for a month with air conditioning and video games just bring me a girl every weekend. But that's NOT what is going on. These kids were taken away at force from parents, who were turning themselves in , hoping for asylum. Now they are now being used to strong arm for political reasons because someone couldn't get mexico to pay for a bigly wall.. Who the f' does that? Kidnappers and extortionists. You could put these children in CP3's mansion but nothing can replace the agony of not being with their mother or father. Turning yourself in to the authorities is the least effective way to get inside the U.S. Basically getting caught is the plan. Families are so desperate that they would actually try that. The more effective methods I'll will list below: 1st place, The Ryan Mallet: This is where your family has established themselves in a good middle class situation and can now get their families back in the motherland access to visas. Once inside the U.S, your relative, lover or friend just accidentally hits the snooze button and misses their flight. Users of this method, include Melania Trump, Rafael Ted Cruz and some of my relatives who are now docs and engineers . Can you BELIEVE someone would change a beautiful name Like Rafael to something lame like Ted? No cooler nickname than Rafa. 2nd place, political refugee: This is basically what makes america great and I could easily rank it 1st. Political refugees from all over the world that come to America and chase the dream because corrupt leaders ALL SIDES got hard ons to prove a point. Reagan's great pardon act of the mid 1980s comes to mind. Examples of usage, me and everyone that made it to the U.S in the 80s and 90s. 80s were Republican years, many many many don't know that. 3rd place, The American way. This requires finding a coyote that has connections with BRIBED border patrol angents that will let the cargo on through. EVERYONE HAS A PRICE. This is becoming dangerous to civilians due to cartels taking every inch of Mexico. Cost is usually $7,000 per person. 4th place, The Slash and Smash- a full out race to hop a fence, which is what you see on FOXNEWS and the only method a wall would be effective against. You are crazy to bring your family along. usually if you evade the authorities you settle in live a lonesome life for 5 years then attempt method 1 to get your family safely here. 5th place, The white flag: Turning yourself in hopes of amnesty. Success rate has always been low. 6th place, Mail order bride: It's sexist! only for women. Would you really like to spend your lives with an old white perv, probably not in tremendous shape? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most of us that came from oppressed places by either crazy fascists like Jose Duarte or crazy communists like Fidel can feel what Trump is trying to do. One should never trust a government so blindly. TLDR. These threads are getting depressing.
One thing you can say for the Republican’s child snatching policy, it has effectively identified the sociopaths among us.
I imagine CPS/ HHSC TX is having to deal with this massive influx of children with their already completely overburdened system -- these actions will have a domino effect across the state.
From a logistics standpoint, you can house more people in less space if you separate the facilities into one for men, one for women and one for children. Given how many people they need to house, it makes sense to do it that way plus you don't run into as many problems associated with mass mixed gender housing. It's the same reason why they separate male and female military members into different barracks during basic training. I mean, it's only a temporary situation till the paperwork can get done and they can be properly deported.
You’re mistaken on saying that these kids are being separated from their parents seeking asylum. DHS confirmed today that no children are being separated in cases where asylum claims are made at ports of entry. Parents and children are being kept together while their asylum claim is processed. The only family separations occurring are cases where illegals are apprehended between ports of entry. These are not asylum seekers. I don’t blame you for the misunderstanding because the liberal media has been trying to conflate the two scenarios for days.
As I posted in another thread...This is the left's new DACA issue...and its just pseudo-rage, bc we all know that none of yall give 2 ***** about these people. The issue was NEVER about legal border crossing...but ALWAYS about illegal border crossings. People that think they are entitled NOT to follow the laws of a nation and just do whatever the fck they want. Why is this right in a civilized society?
That's good to hear, but honestly if the number of asylum seekers continue to spike, it would make sense to do the same in those situations. When you need to house large numbers of people it makes sense to separate them into groups to avoid problems. If you just gaggle men women and children together you end up with situations like they faced in the Superdome in the aftermath of Katrina and no one wants that.
I read more about this and I don't really see a solution. I'd imagine the process of seeking asylum can take weeks or months, especially if there's an influx of applicants running at the border. Meanwhile where do you keep these people and their kids. I think it's horrible that some parents can't find their kids anymore after their application's been approved, there has to be a way to keep them together after the fact whether they are granted entry or deported. I have yet to really hear any real solutions to this despite the controversy.
From what I've read, on average it takes 6 months to go through the process and there have been over 10k new "asylum seekers" a month every month being at least 2 times times higher than at any point in the previous 20 years before the trend began......probably longer, but I can only find data going back 20 years.
Please don't project, you have no idea how much anyone here cares about this issue, just because it's just a political left vs right thing to you doesn't mean it's that way for everyone else. I think some people need to learn the difference between immigration and asylum. It seems many are confused about the differences here and how this will be seen internationally as basically punishing refugees from. If anyone thinks this is a deterrence then I believe the jokes on them. If your options are to be killed or those you love murdered...or separated, what would YOU do? Seriously, answer that question. If the asylum seekers feared for family lives then even having their child taken from them could be worth the trip if it means that they will be protected. Sometimes, Laws are wrong. Period. If you want to have that discussion, be my guest, won't fare well for you. The argument of "Well, the law is the law," is usually historically an excuse to do something immoral and usually, these people find themselves on the wrong side of history.
