Just asked the same in the Ariza thread but, how realistic is (at least in terms of salary) a sign & trade for George with Ariza (and pieces) involved?
I would argue that they were doing the smart thing. If Harden decided to leave Houston, I would expect Morey to blow it up rather than trying to re-tool with what was left. You have to go into "asset acquisition" mode when you lose your franchise player if you don't have another on the horizon. The Cavs have nothing right now if Lebron leaves, they will need to pick up as many young players and picks as possible in hopes of making a move in the future. Even if they have to absorb a big contract, we're just talking about getting them out of the luxury. To do so they need to cut about 20 mil (not a capologist) and they don't have to cut it all in one move. Also, we don't know the deal the Rockets can pull off for Anderson, if the managed to find a team that can throw in non guaranteed deals as part of that then you cut some right there. If you find a team that wants a player like Tristan Thompson that can just absorb them into their cap space, you are essentially under the cap already. There's plenty of ways to do it.
Anything else on the Lillard front? What about Lowry. Nobody is talking Raptors players. I cant tell if LA is trying to land the first fish via trade or accumulate assets. I cant see them contending with other teams in a Kawhi auction.
Noone will absorb Thompson or JR or Clarkson without significant draft compensation. Secondly capspace is an asset. And rebuilding teams have to utilise it. Doing such a trade with the Rockets is not only the asset of Gordon back but minus the assets they would get by using a 20 mil capspace to absorb contract. The asset of absorbing bad contracts can easily be more than trading Gordon away. He only has 2 more years at 13.5 and 14 and also he's extremely injury prone which further lowers his trade value. If I was the Cavs GM I would rather have Lebron leave for nothing than take back Gordon and Anderson.
You can’t SnT Ariza prior to July 1st. So, that would mean PG opts in and then trade him later and that would seem to be illegal.
I feel like there are teams who would feel like they could use those players if all they had to give up was cap space and a pick or two. Anyway, I guess we'll just see if the Cavs pick nothing at all when they get the opportunity.
I assume he's saying both Ariza and PG would be sign & traded for each other, not that PG would opt in. Either way, salaries wouldn't work, and you can't combine payers with an opt and traded player.
Ohh ok yeah my bad A double SnT is possible but extremely difficult and challenging. Would also subject both teams to a hard cap. Something we can’t afford unless we are able to offload Anderson for no salary and possibly the same with gordon
Bima and Clutch mentioned this day one, as the problem with PG vs Lebron trades: The biggest issue with "at least in terms of salary" is not those individual moves, but rather the big issue in terms of salary is that a sign-in-trade for PG would hard-cap us. We couldn't spend more than $128m, even with exceptions. See if you can give Harden, PG and Paul max salaries (PG13 will demand it) and sign back Capela, and fill out a roster without also purging Ryno. So, the issue is a PG13 trade will likely require trading Ryno (if not much more). The math of Ariza for PG won't be the only problem to solve in that trade.
So, what are the teams that may have interest in a sign & trade for Trevor? I read in the other thread Bucks (but like malakas said they could still resign Parker), Utah, Nola, Toronto...i think the last two here make a lot of sense, another team i would keep an eye on is Memphis if they can dump Parsons. But would it work with those teams anyway? I mean, if these teams are all over the cap we would've to get back some salary right? I feel like i'm missing something here.
To the former, and asked previously, but just for the hey of it: whosezno: LBJ/Love - - JH13/Ryno. (Remember that Cavs getting a super back would be super for them.) To the latter, I believe Love/JR - - Ryno/Nene works: whosezno? (Look at the cap saving effected for Cavs.)
Not an easy way to know. Years back, Morey encouraged both Marcus Camby and Courtney Lee to find teams that they liked, even if they didn’t have the cap space to sign them. Sure enough, both were dealt to their preferred teams (Knicks and Celtics) via sign and trade. Everyone wins in these scenarios.
The difficulties of dealing with a hard-cap by SnT PG13 for $30m Max is easiest to see by working the salary up from $0, rather than thinking about trades. Hard-cap is estimated at $129m To build the Rockets up from scratch, this is what you have $35m Paul $30m Harden $30m George $20m Capela ---------------- $115m You have $14m left to spend Even without Ariza, the guaranteed salaries for Ego, Ryan, PJ, Nene and Onuaku takes you to $164m (to include $820,000 minimum charge for every roster spot below 12). That's a lot of salary reduction ahead for you to solve. Moving Ryan into capspace is not even enough. Anyhoot, I'm sure it's technically doable, but I'm just trying to help you illustrate the salary complexities of Hard-capping to give PG13 the Max. It's much more than trying to get the actual SnT to work.
Cmon guys we arent trading ariza. Not even worth talking about. He is friends with cp3. Just because a number gets thrown out doesnt mean thats what he gets. You always start high. Not even worth discussing. Hes not going anywhere. The odds of lebron are slim so we are going to be keeping players we have birds rights too. Just the way its is. Morey isnt going to let the team get worse
Yeah, but like, let's say Toronto wants Trevor and they're ok to sign him to a 40x3 year deal. I don't think we can sign & trade him there without getting salary back right? I guess we would've to find a third team which would take some salary back from Toronto? Cause i remember when we got Trevor it was a sign & trade with Washington, but that was a 3 team deal with Asik going to Nola, i assume Nola had cap space at the time...?
That was also under the "old" CBA. S&Ts under the old CBA were easier as there wasn't "hard capping." Correct me if I am wrong on that though.
We have a better chance of landing Khawi than PG because Khawi just loses his super max ability and doesn't have to opt in to anything. Both players will not play for the Rockets next year because OKC and SA will not be dealing with us for obvious reasons. Khawi will either be a Celtic or Laker and PG will either re-sign with OKC or be a Laker as well. Realistically, we're only players for LeBron. I prefer plan B though. Hope Ariza takes a silly team friendly deal to re-sign with us and spend the tax payer MLE on a true 3rd ball handler and younger back up center. Namely Corey Joseph and Brook Lopez.
