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NYT Worries About When Boys Do Better Than Girls, But Not When Girls Do Better Than Boys

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. Cohete Rojo

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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/13/upshot/boys-girls-math-reading-tests.html

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    Girls always outperform boys in English, but that is not what gets the NYT upset. It is when boys outperform girls in Math -- which occurs only when they're "white" and their families engage in "traditional ways" (father as breadwinner, mother as caregiver) -- then the NYT gets upset.

    They make baseless claims like "Although well-off districts encourage boys in math, they don’t seem to encourage girls in the same way".

    They even go there by suggesting that black cultural is responsible for black boys doing worse at Math than black girls. Really?

    Why is the NYT so dedicated to dividing this country along lines of race and gender?

    #Resist
     
  2. sirbaihu

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  3. No Worries

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    Men appear to need the help.
     
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    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

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    #RedPill
     
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  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I understand the point and there obviously is some political correctness.

    You have to view these stories from the standpoint of women have been discriminated against employment wise historically just like looking at these subjects through a racial lense

    Women still have physical limitations that keep them from being eligible from jobs like loading and unloading trailers
     
  6. Major

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    It's weird how anti-research and anti-data the OP consistently is. On basically every issue, you seem to hate the reporting of actual data, and counter significant statistical research with brilliant responses such as "Really?".

    Data is data - they are reporting on fascinating breakdowns within that data. From that I can tell, they aren't making any judgments of their own about the why - they are just reporting what the relevant research has shown. They even try to make it supereasy for people to evaluate the claims by linking to that research.
     
  7. Rashmon

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    Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don't do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    Facts are nothing on the face of things
    Facts don't stain the furniture
    Facts go out and slam the door
    Facts are written all over your face
    Facts continue to change their shape
    I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
    I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
    I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
     
  8. No Worries

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    Lucky, those college degrees women are getting are not required for those jobs.
     
  9. Nolen

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    Could you please quote those passages that show the authors being not upset or upset about the data analysis?
    If by "baseless" you mean not referring to any studies or data, read again. The article is chock full of linked studies, including the very paragraph you quoted from and the paragraph after it.
    Again, in the very paragraph where this is discussed, there are FOUR linked studies. You know, data 'n stuff. That young urban black boys are discouraged from excellence in school by their own culture has been a talking point in both the right wing and within black communities for a long time now.
    I don't understand this. If an observer points something out, how is the observer responsible for it's existence?
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    one of the rare male English majors to make it out of the math and statistics ghetto? :D
     
  11. Nolen

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    The article has more than 25 links in it; most of them are to other studies, research, and data. The article itself mainly concerns a gigantic study of over 1800 large school districts and 260 million standardized tests. The authors are parsing this huge study, and linking to many other studies as proposed explanations for some data correlations. I, for one, appreciate the research and the discussion.

    I don't see what there is to get "upset" about. ;-)
     
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    I know OP often is not on my side of things, but I see his point. Here is an excerpt from the study itself:

    So, in terms of "gender gap," girls have an overall advantage: equal in math, ahead in English/Language Arts.
    1/5 of the math gap for males can be explained by socioeconomic factors.

    The title of the article is "Where Boys Outperform Girls in Math: Rich, White and Suburban Districts"

    It would be easy to get the impression that boys are outperforming girls in math generally. But they are not. In fact, the Stanford study identifies a gender gap showing boys are behind girls in education generally, and equal with girls in math scores.
     
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    Whrn a job posting says mudt be able to lift 60 pounds it eliminates women. Thats all im saying
     
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    This might come as a shocking revelation, I was never good at math.
     
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    Also this reminds of this great tweet

     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    When a job posting says college degree required, ... I'm just saying.
     
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    Why do facts scare you so much>
     
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    Really?
     

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