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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. No Worries

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    Deep State gotta Deep State.
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    Some details on Manafort...
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    Mueller brings new charges against Paul Manafort

    Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been hit with new charges filed by special counsel Robert Mueller's office.

    Mueller filed a superseding indictment Friday in a D.C. court that brought two new counts against Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort aide.

    The two new counts, which layer onto five previously issued charges, accuse Manafort and Kilimnik, who ran the Kiev office of Manafort’s political consulting company Davis Manafort Partners, of obstructing justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice.



    The obstruction charges are related to Manafort and Kilimnik’s efforts to coach — or even “prevent” — the testimonies of two witnesses involved in the case, according to prosecutors.

    Manafort and Kilimnik “knowingly and intentionally attempted to persuade” two people with “intent to influence, delay, and prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding,” according to the new court filing.

    Kilimnik had previously been mentioned, but not named, in court documents as "Person A" with ties to Russian intelligence.
    In March, documents filed by Mueller's team had alleged that Manafort and his longtime business associate Richard Gates were aware that an unidentified associate "was a former Russian Intelligence Officer.”

    While the documents at the time only described this individual in question as "Person A,” new stories reported that this associate matched the description of Kilimnik, a longtime Russian employee of Manafort’s.

    The court filings accuse Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik of engaging “in a multimillion dollar lobbying campaign” at the direction of Viktor Yanukovych, the former Russia-aligned Ukrainian president from 2006 until 2014.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/391394-manafort-hit-with-superseding-indictment
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    The Astonishing Tale of the Man Mueller Just Indicted

    In the early years of the century, as Paul Manafort made his way across Moscow and Kiev, he was followed by a diminutive man. With a generous slackening of the tape, the man measured just above 5 feet. This made for a striking contrast in physical frames, because Manafort and his expansive shoulders crowd a room. It also made the pair an almost slapstick spectacle. But over time, Manafort and the smaller man, his aide-de-camp, began to converge in appearance. The aide started to dress like his boss, buying expensive suits cut in a similar style. He would mimic his mentor’s habits, using the same car service to shuttle through the cobblestone streets of the Ukrainian capital in the same model BMW. He would come to earn the title “Manafort’s Manafort.”

    When Manafort first began to contemplate doing business on a grand scale in Russia and Ukraine, he faced a basic logistic challenge. He intended to operate in countries where mastery of English was not a prerequisite for the acquisition of wealth and power. Manafort hardly understood a word of his prospective clients’ languages. “Paul is the smartest political guy I know, but he couldn’t order a glass of water,” one of his former staffers told me. So he grew reliant on Konstantin Kilimnik, a Soviet-born native who could render idiomatic English and translate the cultural nuances of the region that might elude outsiders. Manafort would describe him to others in his office as “my Russian brain.” For a decade, Kilimnik was a fixture in Manafort’s meetings with the region’s leading politicians and oligarchs.

    After so much time spent in close quarters, the relationship between the two became trusting and deep. By 2011, Kilimnik had taken over Manafort’s office in Kiev. This made Kilimnik the primary interface for Manafort’s lone client, a corrupt clique of former gangsters that ruled Ukraine under the banner of their political organization, the Party of Regions. When they weren’t in each other’s presence, the mentor and protégé exchanged “millions of emails”—at least in Kilimnik’s estimate. “We discussed a lot of issues, from Putin to women,” he once texted a reporter.

    Full Article:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ale-of-the-man-mueller-calls-person-a/562217/
     
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  4. Commodore

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    good summary of the Wolfe indictment here, which is likely to entrap Dan Jones as well

    Wolfe was only charged with lying (rather than leaking classified info) likely because he is cooperating to catch others, which is why the DoJ waited six months to indict him even after he admitted lying

     
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    If Trump pardons himself, he’s admitting he’s guilty of impeachable crimes

    If Mueller’s prosecution team concludes that President Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice, collusion with Russia or any other federal offense, and if Trump seeks to pardon himself, then Trump would do something that no other American president has done: Make a legal admission of guilt, while in office, relating to criminal charges that are serious and involve conduct that presumably put the country at risk.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0f87fc71c72e
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Best part of this... its written by kellyanne's husband...

     
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    John Oliver update on the propaganda campaign being waged against the investigation in to Russian interference in U.S. elections:



    We can see the evolving messaging playing out on this BBS. Our democracy is facing a stiff challenge of not just defeating foreign propaganda but a powerful propaganda machine rooted in FoxNews and right-wing media. People feeding on that diet of lies and conspiracy theories are near impervious to the evidence public thus far and the fruit borne in the indictments and guilty convictions after only 1 year of investigating these crimes.

    And to top it off, the president of the united states and his team are floating the idea of him pardoning himself. Guilt has been admitted in many different ways thus far (Trump on NBC, Trump Jr. online), but self-pardoning is just a step above the rest.

    And then we see Trump actively functioning as a Russian asset in the international arena (most recently advocating for Russia to rejoin the G7, undermining relations with our allies, N.K.). Putin's victory just keeps paying dividends.

    We are gonna need more people to put country over party, nation before tribe.
     
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  9. sirbaihu

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    [post on the credibility of federal bureaus deleted]
     
  10. larsv8

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    The FBI is credible.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Extremely credible, much more so than this administration.

    DD
     
  12. sirbaihu

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    Examples?

    Edit: nevermind. This is not even a conversation to be had on the internet. I agree. The g-men are pretty much my favorite organization. They are some cool guys over there. Have you seen their building in DC, the brutalist architecture thing that they are trying to get out of? But their mega-search for a new location unfortunately fell through after a few years/millions of dollars? I hope they get a really cool new building.
     
  13. larsv8

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    Examples of them not being credible?
     
  14. sirbaihu

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    No, I have been persuaded by you, and I wanted to list some examples of the great things done by this organization. But, considering that everyone already knows many great achievements done by this group of people, I find my own newfound appreciation of them kind of redundant and irrelevant.

    Remember that Mulder, finding those UFO's? I'd almost turn gay for that special agent. Then Scully, she'd make me turn back straight again!

    Put it this way: if anyone comes a-busting down my door with ten guns drawn, I hope it's the u-know-who. Ya feel? :p
     
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    Mueller Fears Russian Intel May Use Criminal Case To Obtain Sensitive Info
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/mueller-protective-order-proposal-concord-management

    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team expressed concern Tuesday that sensitive information and investigative techniques used in its prosecution of Russian meddling in the 2016 election could wind up in the hands of Russian intelligence.

    To head off that possibility, Mueller’s team has asked the judge in the case against a company accused of funding Russia’s social media election meddling to restrict access to discovery turned over to the company’s lawyers.


    “Public or unauthorized disclosure of this case’s discovery would result in the release of information that would assist foreign intelligence services, particularly those of the Russian Federation, and other foreign actors in future operations against the United States,” Mueller said.


    According to the filing, Mueller’s team and the lawyers representing Concord Management have had a number of discussions about agreeing to a joint protective order on discovery, but have failed to come to together on a few key requests prosecutors are making about who should be authorized to view the materials.

    Mueller team is seeking that access to the discovery materials be withheld from the other individuals and entities named as defendants in the Russian troll case who have not yet appeared in court. His proposed order would require that Concord Management get the court’s permission before giving those co-defendants access to the discovery.

    The Mueller team also requested that if Concord Management’s attorneys want to turn over discovery to any foreign nationals, they identify the foreign nationals for both the court and for a government lawyer separate from Mueller’s team, called a “firewall counsel,” and then get the court’s approval.


    “If needed, firewall counsel would alert the Court to any concerns or considerations about such disclosures,” Mueller proposed in the filing.

    He cited specifically the possibility that “certain foreign individuals” may try to view discovery materials “as a way to obtain sensitive materials as part of an intelligence collection effort.”

    Concord Management has been charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States. The company, according to Mueller, is controlled by Yevgeniy Prigozhin, a Kremlin-linked restaurateur nicknamed “Putin’s Chef,” who is also an individual defendant in the case, but one who has not yet appeared in court.

    “As long as Prigozhin chooses not to appear personally in front of this Court, he is not entitled to review any discovery in this case,” Mueller argued Tuesday.


    Mueller said, however, that his proposal would allow Concord Management’s attorneys to order “to seek to modify the order after counsel reviews discovery materials.”

    “Likewise, if Prigozhin appears before this Court, the protective order would not bar providing discovery to him as an authorized party,” Mueller said, referring to a request Mueller says Concord Management’s attorneys made “that they be permitted to share discovery with a codefendant if that co-defendant is an officer or employee of Concord Management.”

    “To the government’s knowledge, the only charged defendant in this category is Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin, who was charged individually for conspiring to defraud the United States,” Mueller’s filing said.

    In support of its position, Mueller’s team also claimed ominously that discovery in the case could reveal players who are still actively involved in election interference efforts, but who have not yet been charged.

    “[T]he substance of the government’s evidence identifies uncharged individuals and entities that the government believes are continuing to engage in interference operations like those charged in the present indictment.”


    When Mueller first brought charges in February against 13 Russian individuals and three entities accused to facilitating the social media campaign to influence the election, few thought the case could ever make it to a courtroom, given the unlikelihood that Russian President Vladimir Putin would extradite those named in the indictment.

    In April, two U.S.-based attorneys — Eric A. Dubelier and Katherine Seikaly — entered an appearance in the case on behalf of Concord Management. They soon after sent prosecutors a sprawling request for discovery before appearing in court to enter Concord Management’s plea, or even confirming that Concord Management had accepted the summons.

    Since then, Dubelier has been combative with prosecutors in public court proceedings.

    Prosecutors on Tuesday said that due to its formatting, it would be difficult to redact sensitive information in discovery, which also includes personal details of the Americans whose identities the Russians are accused of stealing.

    “The evidence in this case will also include numerous reports and affidavits filed in connection with this investigation that describe investigative steps, identify uncharged co-conspirators, and disclose various law enforcement and intelligence collection techniques,” the filing said.
     
  16. sirbaihu

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    The redaction pros
     
  17. NewRoxFan

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    Nunes is such a wimpy tool...


     
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    boom... but really, did anyone not think he'd roll like a ....

     
  19. JuanValdez

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    Denying discovery to defendants (even if they are evading the court) seems like an aggressive step. Can anyone tell me if this is common or has precedent?
     
  20. No Worries

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    These defendants have zero chance of showing up in the US and standing trial. Their lawyers are just trolling the US courts.
     

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