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Is the blue wave crashing?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Invisible Fan, Jun 7, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    This. There is a certain hubris from the rank and file democrats that a hatred or distrust of Donald Trump means that a majority of Americans are agreeing with the democrat platform and I do not believe that to be accurate. Simply being the anti-Trump party isn't going to do much. Further, while amnesty is an important issue, it isn't the most important to most voters. The economy and opportunities for the voting public will always win out.


    There is no question about this. Republicans and conservatives are going to turnout.
     
  2. conquistador#11

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    It's all cyclical, blue wave/ red waves . Lakers vs Celtics. Barca v real
     
  3. Major

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    It's not condescending - it's simple fact. There's plenty of data supporting it, along with common sense. The poorer you are, the more difficult it is to take time out of a work day to go through multiple steps to register to vote. Each additional step is going to affect poor people more than wealthy people. Take Texas Voter ID as an example - something like 1/3rd of Texas Counties don't have a DMV - if you need one, you have to go to another county. In some cases, it's a 2-4 hour roundtrip to the nearest office. That burden is harder to bear on a poor person - taking into account time away from work, gas, etc - than it on someone wealthier.

    It doesn't only affect black and hispanic people. It affects rural people, poor people, etc. The bigger issue is that there is no other purpose of these voter ID laws except to reduce turnout. The North Carolina lawsuit literally showed emails of GOP people trying to figure how black people do early voting and then trying to reduce only those methods of voting. Why anyone would defend these things when we literally know their motive and purpose is beyond me.
     
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  4. Major

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    The issue is not conservatives turning out - they tend to always turn out during midterms. A midterm blue wave comes from Democrats turning out (often lower turnout in midterms) and independents lining up against the party in power.
     
  5. CometsWin

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    You're late to the party. If it didn't affect turnout then legislators would not have requested data on what IDs minorities and the poor are least likely to have in order to create ID laws that require those IDs they're least likely to have. This has already been adjudicated in the courts.

    You would think our government would make it as easy as possible for its citizens to vote rather than making it a huge pain in the ass. Why do you think that is?
     
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    Yeah it's crazy wanting people to prove who they are in order to make fraud as difficult as possible. I can't imagine why anyone would ever require an ID for anything.
     
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  7. astrosrule

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    Go to california
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm not sure why you'd lie about that, it's not like you are going to convince anyone by it. That attitude is very obvious and it's been straight out stated by enough butt hurt Democrats down here in the D&D especially after Hillary lost to where there's no confusion as to where they stand.
     
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  9. Nook

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    Yeah...... and I question whether or not enough democrats are going to turnout.
     
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  10. robbie380

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    Honestly I hadn’t participated in an election up until the last presidential election. I never went out of my way to ever register to vote and it was one of the random get out the vote volunteers who got me to register. It was ridiculously easy to register and to vote. Well other than the fact that they won’t let you take any notes into the voting booth.

    Have you ever known anyone who couldn’t vote based on those voter ID requirements? Do you even know any American citizen without a drivers license, govt ID, or passport? We require ID for basic purchases like alcohol, cigarettes, tobacco, lotto tickets, and other things like getting into clubs and bars. I don’t think those poor minorities that the Dems are so worried about have trouble producing IDs for those things.
     
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  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    They don't believe any such thing, this is a load of bullsh!t used as a straw man.

    Statistically, minorities are more likely than whites to lack the forms of ID specified in most voter ID laws. Poor people are also more likely to lack these forms of ID. This isn't the opinion of Democrats, it isn't about their "capacity" to attain ID it is about the pure fact that they are more likely to lack ID.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/texas-must-weaken-voter-id-law-court-rules

    Yes, that's why the bullshit artists put that straw man out there, so that people like you would believe that Democrats are "extremely condescending" for opposing Voter ID laws.

    It isn't about whether one is "able" or "unable" to get a valid ID to vote. When I lacked valid ID for a while and my driver's license lapsed, it just wasn't worth my time to go get a new license. Once I decided to get a new one, it took several trips to various government offices (DPS, SS, etc.) and I had to obtain a new birth certificate from Arizona. The process took about 4 months to complete and that was in the best possible circumstances, I live in a large metro area with multiple of each of the necessary offices and have a full time job with vacation time. I ended up taking a total of four vacation days to complete the process.

    For someone without the means or for whom the process is more cumbersome, it would be dramatically more difficult, which is a big part of the reason that poor people and minorities are statistically more likely to lack ID.
     
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    No, it has been stated by bullshit artists and you swallowed those turds.
     
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  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    I prefer Texas, thanks.
     
  14. Bandwagoner

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    If they don't win the Senate then they cannot easily block judges. The courts seem to be the only way anything big happens with our modern government.
     
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    Voter suppression is there only way to win. Sadly they are great at it, especially when backed by their guys on the Courts.
     
  16. glynch

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    Anybody remember Hillary and "deplorables"? Oh, I know under some of the contented moderates of the Hillary/Obama folks I have with this post just lost the 2018 midterm election due to being a Putin bot.
     
  17. glynch

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    Yeah and American oligarchs have funded their candidates to insure that.
     
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    If we had a strong House of Represent'n something could be done about that. Unfortunately they are weak. Sad.
     
  20. glynch

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    Robbie, get out of your bubble and do some volunteer work or something in which you can talk to some poor folks. Who knows? it might be interesting somehow or help you pick stocks better.
     
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