Historic North Korea/South Korea Meeting - Trump Peace Prize?

You do know that North Korea's whole goal the last several decades has been getting legitimacy in the eyes of the world, right? The photo op and shaking hands with other world leaders is what he and his father have desperately wanted since forever. Whether he's playing Trump or actually willing to give up anything remains to be seen - but let's remember NK has made comprehensive agreements with Bush and Clinton that went nowhere in the past. As of now, Kim has gained something he really wanted and given up nothing. We'll see if that changes as this progresses along.

 

Yeah but times are different now. A couple key differences from those two are that there weren't deep sanctions on North Korea (none like today) and they did not have the capability of launching weapons to the US. Where are you getting this information that he's given up nothing? The sanctions that are hurting his country haven't even ended.

 

What are you talking about? North Korea has been isolated and under severe sanctions for decades - the specifics change, but they have been crippling NK's economy for a long time. But sanctions don't affect the leadership - they work best in places where the people put pressure on the leaders to change. But Kim doesn't care about his people and they have no power to overthrow him - they've been starving and in poverty for generations and that's perfectly fine with Kim. Nothing he does is about bettering the situation for his people - it's about maintaining power and being important. That's been true for him and his father.

Tell me one thing that North Korea has given up so far in exchange for all this legitimacy and having the US agree to give up "war games" and have the President of the US talk about how awesome a person the brutal dictator is.

 

This is straight from the President:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/trump-kim-meeting-press-conference-637544

Toward the end of the roughly hour-long press conference, one reporter asked Trump what he was prepared to do if North Korea failed to follow through on its side of the agreement.

“Honestly, I think he will do these things,” said Trump, who seemed buoyed by the meeting and attention.

Still, in six months, if Trump finds out he was wrong about Kim, the president conceded he would never say so.

“I don’t know that I’ll ever admit that," he said. "I’ll find some kind of excuse."

 

Can athletes who protest wear a kim shirt? Kim is just so hot right now.

 

What I'm talking about is that the sanctions today are worse than the sanctions put on before. The whole reason for this meeting. And like I said earlier in the thread, Iran is next to negotiate because the sanctions there have really been crippling the economy and the people are revolting.

Link where you got your info from that they are giving up and doing nothing in exchange for the United States agreeing to stop "war games".

 

Iran isn't going to negotiate. They did that before, and Trump backed out. Sanctions by only the U.S., while the rest of the world lives by the agreement they made, won't be very effective against Iran. Iran has no reason to trust any negotiations they make with the U.S. Trump has shown the U.S. can't be trusted. They will not negotiate.

 

This.

North Korea has been running on fumes for years. More and more technology from South Korea and the USA has been smuggled into North Korea. Many North Koreans have started seeing how poor their quality of life is compared to the South and the West. The area was politically unstable. Even China has put pressure on North Korea and some of their illegal trading with Poland has slowed down. North Korea was in shambles and the ruling government was in a precarious situation. No worries though, Trump to the rescue to legitimize the regime and help cement support for Kim within North Korea. All because it is a photo opportunity for two desperate political leaders.

Perhaps it all works out, and relations between North Korean and South Korea and the West improve. The whole situation is complicated. A true revolution in North Korea would likely set off a geo-political nightmare with USA, China and S Korea all involved and fighting over unification or separation and what type of aid and government should be in place.

At the same time, we have given a life line to Kim and his regime.

 

Come on, Franchise, you really think N. Korea could or would conquer So. Korea. ????

 

The whole reason for this meeting is that Kim convinced an extremely vain US President who is desperate for good press to do a photo op. Kim has always wanted a meeting with the US - he finally got one.

Again, what on earth are you talking about? Iran spent years negotiating with "the big 6" and developing a comprehensive agreement that the world's top nuclear disarmament experts were extremely supportive of. The US randomly backed out of that agreement for no reason, and now the rest of the world is working to make it work efffectively without the US. The people aren't revolting and the new sanctions have not been effective because the rest of world is still committed to the agreement and is working on work-arounds. You literally are making things up.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/12/trump-kim-meeting-press-conference-637544
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/11/countdown-to-trumps-first-minute-with-kim-637363

Now, again, where's your list of things North Korea gave up? We have specific concessions from the US.

 

They have a million man army, nukes, and if they think that they will be wiped out, they will absolutely try. If they are convinced that the U.S. plans on taking them out, they will fight as hard as they can do a lot of damage. They will feel they have nothing to lose.

 

Can anyone provide a legitimate reason as to why NK would give up its nuclear ambitions? I don't buy the sanctions argument, as that card, the only card, has been on the table for such a long time that the question is 'why now'? Did the twitter mocking actually work?

 

Making American (president) Rich Again

 

Billy one of key the neo-cons is as usual desperately afraid peace might break out that peace might break out.

Bobbie, quit projecting after years of your gan

Human rights? All for them. However, we might want to consider bringing it up with some of our favorite allies like Saud Arabia.

 

Sadly I do see some of the more hawkish Democrats doing just that.

 

From the article:

Pretty obvious he went in unprepared and was winging it. Idiot.

 

Wow... did someone slip Ben Shapiro truth serum?




Ben Shapiro criticizes Trump for trusting Kim Jong Un

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/391794-ben-shapiro-criticizes-trump-for-trusting-kim-jong-un