Trump/GOP election strategy - take away coverage for preexisting conditions

Something could have been done to prevent this, but Democrats foolishly wanted to protect Obama's sole accomplishment instead of looking out for the people. The courts were always going to gut it eventually. Now let's see what work gets put in on a new health care bill that might actually stand up to judicial review.

 

There needs to be vocal protest about this move -- it's going to kill a lot of innocent people.

 

Republicans could have done something to prevent this. They could have chosen to not gut it.

 

Regardless of where you stand, this is a financial argument not constitutional. If too many people wait to get sick to get insurance, a problem created will eventually financially fix itself

 

It will eventually financially fix itself? What are you talking about?

Obamacare had one safeguard to keep people from waiting to get sick before getting insurance. They had the conservative individual mandate idea which charged people for not getting insurance.

 

Eventually if enough people wait to get sick to get insurance, premiums will skyrocket.

I agree but the mandate does have a constitutional element to it.

I know you think I'm a Trump honk. I'm not so when you respond to me don't make that assumption.

Health insurance is a very important issue but it is essentially a financial issue. I support the ACA because of the financial health of this aging country. However I don't believe healthcare access is a guaranteed right because healthcare depends on healthcare professionals and you or I don't have a guaranteed right to be served by someone else's profession

 

As long as there is balance between what insurance is provided universally and what government deems cost effective, the insurance companies can't complain too much about being financially cheated.

 

They were elected to gut it, they failed to fully do so, but they courts picked up where they left off. It was clear when the people elected the Republicans to get rid of Obamacare before it failed on its own that a new plan that actually worked would be needed and instead of trying to participate in that process, the Democrats doubled down on trying to save a doomed Obamacare simply because it was the closest to an actual accomplishment that happened in Obama's 8 years. They knew it was such flawed legislation that it would fail on its own or be struck down by the courts, but they didn't care. That's why we're in the spot we're in right now.

Going forward either both parties come together to come up with something legitimate or they are both to blame for failing when it comes to that issue.

 

Were people dying en masse from lack of medical care before Obamacare existed?

 

How many people dying is too many? 10,000? 20,000? 50,000? I'm just curious how craven you want to get. Additionally, how many people should be forced into bankruptcy because they don't have medical insurance? Give me the data instead of rigid ideological BS.

 

You can make the numbers say whatever you want them to say really. People are dying en masse every day because that's just what people do....they die. It's not difficult to shift blame around wherever you want it to go.

 

Let’s not forget that this is all possible due to the huge and permanent tax gift to the top. This isn’t a strategy. They had to do this.

Gift to the top in exchange for raising premium and removing coverage for preexisting condition.

This come down to corruption of the gop. They clearly stated that they needed to pass that tax bill else their donor will cut off funding. They have been bought and they delivered for their donors at the expense of the common people.

This should be a main message for mid term election.

 

LOL, sounds like something that will be attempted, but that message is at best intellectually dishonest.

 

Like every argument you have ever posted

 

If you're looking for a number, this study say 45k a year were dying from lack of health insurance pre-Obamacare.

 

The government made healthcare access a guaranteed right when Reagan signed EMTALA. Which exacerbated the problem because to stay in business hospitals raised costs which in turned raised premiums. When Obama tried to address the problem by requiring people to have insurance in order to cover all that uncompensated care he was called a Socialist. Somehow Republicans were ok with the Gipper forcing private businesses to give away their services for free but balked when Obama wanted people to pay for their care.

You either overturn EMTALA and truly treat healthcare like any other commodity rather than a right or you go single payer and remove the parasitic insurance middleman like every other industrialized nation. The US has unfortunately found itself in some bizarre middle ground that has only led to higher costs and worse health outcomes.

 

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You been telling the same joke for over a year. We get it bro

 

I don't concider emergency room access as healthcare. If there is an emergency room near an emergency they should help.

Thats a cruelty/health etc issue.

I understand costs implications but that's a bigger issue of what type of country we want to be