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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    trump just announced that he wants athletes who know people who were unfairly treated by the justice system to submit them for pardons
     
  2. SamFisher

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    Reports: Trump signing executive order "to make real life be like those "Purge" movies where you get to kill people and it's ok"
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    https://www.theroot.com/trump-wants-to-ask-kneeling-nfl-players-whom-he-should-1826667402

    President Donald Trump won’t handle the basic duties of presidenting, like not tweeting from the White House executive bathroom in the early morning but now he’s becoming the Oprah of pardons.

    For some reason, unbeknownst to anyone, Trump offered to speak with NFL players who have kneeled during the national anthem in protest of the over policing of black communities, to find out whom they believe he should pardon.



    Clearly Trump doesn’t understand how any of this works. Speaking with reporters in front of the White House, Trump began waxing on the recent pardon of Alice Marie Johnson, the unfairly prisoned grandmother who he recently pardoned, then went on to explain his next moves.

    “What I’m thinking to do, you have a lot of people in the NFL in particular ... they’re not proud enough to stand for our national anthem ...,” President Trump said, TMZ Sports reports.

    “I’m gonna ask all of those people to recommend to me ... people that they think were unfairly treated by the justice system and I’m gonna ask them to recommend to me, people that were unfairly treated, friends of theirs or people that they know about and im gonna take a look at those applications.”

    “And if I find and my committee finds that they were unfairly treated, then we will pardon them or at least let them out.”


    While I’ve not spoken with any of the kneeling players, I’d assume that they are cool on the pardoning and would probably just like the president to stop bashing them for protesting the killings of unarmed African American men, women and children by police. Oh, and they’d probably ask him to get Jeff “King Keebler” Sessions to stop emboldening the police force, who have violated the Constitutional rights of colored people across the country.

    Clearly the president has the brain capacity of a 3-year-old who views pardoning as a new, shiny, toy, that he can’t stop playing with, but it would be nice if someone on his senior staff explained to him that the answer to every injustice isn’t pardoning someone.


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    .... Does he not understand that you can't "pardon" somebody who got the **** beat out of them or killed by the police unjustly? It's like offering somebody a cure for AIDS while they are on fire.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Brilliant move. Puts things in perspective. How many people in this forum actually know someone mistreated by authorities

    How many blacks know a victim of black on black violence
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I think the problem here is that you are suggesting that there are a lot of those people and that's just not reality. There are a lot of people who CLAIM that they were unjustly beaten by cops and there are a lot of incidents where people CLAIM that someone was unjustly killed by police, but nearly all of them prove to be false claims. True incidents of police brutality or of an unjust shooting by police are insanely rare and justice is almost always done in those situations.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Read my quote again. Tell me where I suggest this. Thanks in advance.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    It's implied by suggesting that it is such a problem that it would justify mass protest.
     
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    My Comrade - Alonzo

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  9. DonnyMost

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    Where exactly did I justify mass protest?

    I stated a plain fact, that in the instance of someone being abused by the police, a pardon is not a helpful tool.

    End transmission. Anything else you read into that is on you, not me.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    Hmm, puts the Alice Marie Johnson pardon into perspective. He didn't pardon her on the merits of her case but as a set up for this bit of fallacious rhetoric. He figures the players will either (a) refuse to offer a name and the Trump supporters can say 'see, they're complaining about nothing!' or (b) a name will be offered and pundits can then do a new character assassination on the guy to show he's a terrible person and his sentence is deserved and the Trump supporters can say 'see, they're totally irrational!'
     
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    Cool. He can start with Trayvon Martin, and Philando Castile. Let's see how pardoning young black men like them helps you politically.
     
  12. Astrodome

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    Why are people mad at this? Kaep is getting something done and people still talk crap.
     
  13. dobro1229

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    This is such an obviously self serving plot, and its incredibly insulting. The nature at which this person is drunk on his pardoning power should alarm every American. Such an obvious abuse of power, and if he goes much further (which he will) he should be impeached for this abuse.
     
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    Do you really not see what he's doing here? How is this not incredibly obvious to even Trump fans?
     
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    And C.) desensitize the US population to the uses of the pardon power so he can finally do something that makes him feel like the 17th century King he believes he is, and allow him to obstruct any and every investigation into himself.

    Its a pathetic self-serving plot, and a slap in the face to the activists who have been fighting for this cause.

    That being said, there is a position that Kaep and others can use this plot for. It will require organization, and leadership in the athlete community where Trump doesn't get to waive his pardon wand without THE STORY behind this person's story being told correctly, and being able to truly engage Trump in dialog where its not just his blabbling of talking points, and people standing behind him with a big goofy smile on their face. Black athletes here CANNOT allow themselves to become political props for this monster of a human being.
     
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    Because it is not offered in good faith.
     
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    It's not offered in good brain.
     
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    Do you know anyone who has been unjustly beaten by law enforcement?

    Do you know anyone who has been a victim of black on black crime?
     
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    Do you know anyone who has been a victim of white on white crime?
    Do you know anyone who has been a victim of Russian on Russian crime?

    Rocket River
    Comrade
     
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    The clueless will continue to talk crap cause they have blinders on to what really going on.
     

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