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Would you trade EGo, CC, Rybo for two first round picks, Lebron?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, Jun 4, 2018.

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Would you trade EGo, CC, Rybo for two first round picks, and either Lebron or George?

Poll closed Jun 25, 2018.

  1. Yes

    134 vote(s)
    68.0%

  2. No

    63 vote(s)
    32.0%
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  1. DaBeard

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    #121 DaBeard, Jun 5, 2018
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  2. Deckard

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    You, sir, are an absolute idiot. You have an obsession with "being right." I have gone out of my way since you returned in your latest "incarnation" to be reasonably nice to you. What do I get for my effort? I'm childish, I'm stupid. Why do you describe me that way? Because I had the unmitigated gall to disagree with you. Do you ever take the time to wonder why you are so "unloved" here at ClutchFans? Why you have a coterie of members that give you a hard time whenever they see an opportunity? That's why. Because if anyone, anyone, has the nerve to (gasp!) disagree with you, you respond in just this way. So yeah, you are a pure, unadulterated egomaniac, with an inferiority complex that you cannot handle, that drives your "life" here, and I suspect it drives your life away from here, as well. I hope you find it enjoyable.
     
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  3. basketballholic

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    So,

    @topfive

    You seem to be indicating trading Anderson and two picks for cap space to have an extra $8 million of cap since instead of Anderson's $8 million dead money cap hit from stretching him.

    So let's assume that's possible.

    What that essentially means under the same scenario is we can keep one of Capela or Gordon.....at the cost of two future picks. We are out of the luxury tax. LeBron walks here. If we trade Gordon and keep Capela we get back a first round pick. One of them will have to go to sign LeBron outright.

    Now we could possibly turn that deal into a direct deal for Lebron. But not before the moratorium. Because ain't nobody got $19 million of cap since to take in Anderson without sending us a contract back. Let's say they do that.....then we gotta do a sign and trade for Lebron and hope Cleveland will take that cotract we got back for Anderson and Gordon since it'll take that much salary to get LeBron here in a S&T.

    And then if Cleveland doesn't want the contract we traded Anderson for then we have to stretch that deal....So that deal has to be for at least two seasons or wet have to get that context bought out at $8 million or less.

    So go ahead show me a doable deal involving moving Anderson out with two draft picks. I'm open. But I don't see it right now.

    What I see with Anderson is a very specific deal that either includes a buyout or it includes a negotiated three way deal for Lebron before the moratorium with Lebron opting in. But I'm interested in what you've got. So go ahead. Give us a doable deal involving Anderson.
     
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  4. basketballholic

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    Deckard

    This is what you wrote

    You very clearly are impuning my motives. I called you out on it. And you won't answer the question.

    Once again, if Capela is the only thing standing between us and Lebron, do you lose Capela or do you pass on Lebron?

    You stepped in your own crap attempting to torque my thoughts into being about dumping Capela. On the contrary, I've got ideas on how to extract maximum value for him. While you won't answer the simply question I asked you but instead chose to trash me after I called you out for impuning my motive. Get a life. Come straight. Answer the question. Or I won't wherein you further here. Don't never time for b.s.
     
    #124 basketballholic, Jun 5, 2018
  5. Toffeeone

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    If we are trading for Lebron there has to be a 3rd team or even a 4th team.

    Cavs is so over the cap that any trade about bron is going to make no sense. Why would Cavs take in more contracts? If they lose bron they prefer picks and off load many of their bad contracts.

    We have to also think in Cavs shoes for a bit.
    Cavs certainly doesn't want to lose bron for nothing but they don't want more bad contracts.

    We have to get a 3rd team to take Ryno contract and throw in EG plus picks for Cavs.
     
    #125 Toffeeone, Jun 5, 2018
  6. Deckard

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    Bullshit. You are being dishonest, no surprise there. I never said I wouldn't trade Capela if it meant getting LeBron. Show me where I did. That has nothing to do with your little "scenario" here. You keep backing up my statement about you, though. Thanks.
     
    #126 Deckard, Jun 5, 2018
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    That's a major point I stated earlier. Short of major cap relief and a draft pick and/or young player the Cavs have no reason to trade Lebron rather than let him walk. I think it's WAY MORE UNREALISTIC to expect them to take back Anderson's deal and two very late first rounders plus another contract than it is for then to let him walk.

    I think that scenario is way more unrealistic for us to accomplish than waiving and stretching Anderson, Gibb uber the cap and executing what I suggested above.

    Glad you see the difficulty in moving Anderson.



    We need to be realistic about Anderson deals. If anybody thinks we can trade him....where is the MOST LOGICAL DEAL?

    Tell us about it.

    I'll tell you mine. But I'm going to give a little time here to see what Anderson deals you come up with.
     
    #127 basketballholic, Jun 5, 2018
  8. basketballholic

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    Show me where you said you would. That's the question I asked you. I'm not hiding anything here in this WORST CASE SCENARIO. Just answer the question I've asked you twice now. Here's the third time.

    YES or NO

    If all that stood between us acquiring Lebron is Capela would you give up Capela or would you pass on Lebron to keep Capela?
     
    #128 basketballholic, Jun 5, 2018
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    God, you are so full of crap.
     
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    No. You are. You can't answer.
     
    #131 basketballholic, Jun 5, 2018
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    Entertaining thread!
     
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  13. macan

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    i'll call him lebron when he put on our uni.
     
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  14. caneks

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    get LeBron and 2 first round picks? why not asking for 10 picks? it is more reasonable.
     
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  15. Deckard

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    Answer what?
     
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    I'd prefer to trade Carmelo, since the Rockets have the same right to trade him as they do CC.
     
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    We absolutely CANNOT trade Capela. Paul and Gordon should go.
     
    #138 Balldon'tlie, Jun 5, 2018
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    Man I'd trade James Harden for Lebron
     
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    Settle down boys. Let's discuss the idea at hand, instead of the obnoxious way it was presented. Bballholic's scenario is a "worst-case" where HOU has to open up cap space and sign LeBron outright, making a few assumptions:
    1. HOU can flip Gordon for a FRP and little additional salary
      • Feasible: IND jumps out here. They can cut Al Jefferson (or trade him to HOU and HOU stretches him for a ~$1.3 MM cap hit) and have the requisite space to take on Gordon. He's a Hoosier and a great fit alongside Oladipo
    2. S&T Capela for a FRP
      • Unlikely: I don't see PHX giving up that viable of an asset for someone they can sign outright. Maybe a second rounder or heavily protected first to avoid tying up their cap space for a week, but I can see them taking the gamble that we don't match, since we have so many other balls in the air
    3. HOU is willing to stretch Ryno and have a $8 MM cap hit for the next 5 years
      • Very Unlikely: I don't see Tillman committing to this or Morey hamstringing himself like this (in terms of future luxury/repeater tax). I think it's more likely we attach assets to get rid of his deal altogether
    4. CP3 and Ariza are willing to sign 'TD special' deals at $10 MM and $5 MM, respectively
      • Very Unlikely: CP3 is the head of the Player's Association so I'm sure he'd be concerned about the optics here. This is Ariza's last chance at a big deal, but I don't see him getting more than $7 MM in the open market, so maybe this is an option
    5. HOU can trade Nene, Qi, Onuaku to teams with cap space, likely for nominal considerations
      • Feasible: These deals are relatively small and should require no more than a second round pick to move
    The meta-point here is whether or not CLE sees these moves (#1,3,4,5) as viable. I imagine we are going to hear a flurry of deals leaked in order to create the perception that HOU is willing to go scorched earth in the pursuit of LeBron.

    If CLE sees this all lining up, that may be enough to bring them to the negotiating table for a LeBron S&T. The opt in and trade could potentially work here as well, but this just seems like way too much to line up (i.e. agree in principle, not necessarily execute) before June 29th, when LeBron has to make the opt in decision.

    Overall, I think this is a creative way to illustrate we have the cap space option with LeBron, but the number of moving pieces here makes it a long shot at best. @basketballholic, you can't call everyone else dunces for seeing it that way (especially since it took you several pages to explain how to even make this work!).
     
    #140 joshuaao, Jun 5, 2018
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