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If LeBron James is so great, why does he have to change teams and stack the deck with superstars

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Houston112, Apr 25, 2018.

  1. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    I'm definitely aware of his monster stats while he played for Minny. But imo, he wasn't a superstar then.

    A star, definitely, but I don't think he was superstar level.
     
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    Kevin Love was never & still isn't a superstar. All-Star? Sure.
     
  3. Reeko

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    lmao at calling Kevin Love a superstar, that’s a joke
     
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  4. hakeemthagreat

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    I mean, he was 26 & 12 his last year in Minny. Those are superstar numbers. I don't want to hear about how bad Lebron has it. They have a formidable team. Especially in the east
     
  5. hakeemthagreat

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    Coincidentally ppl said the same thing about Bosh. This is common among superstars who play with Lebron
     
  6. roslolian

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    The East now is a lot better than the East during Jordan's time aka 20 yrs ago. The average player 20 yrs ago would be lucky to play in the Euro league today so if you want to talk about difficulty Lebron has it more difficult than Jordan.
     
  7. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    I believe strongly that James Harden was the MVP this year. With that said, I don't know how anyone with a sound mind can question Lebron's greatness.
     
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  8. hakeemthagreat

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    The whole post is 100% troll. Euroleague? Lol. Please, I don't know what you've been watching
     
  9. Mr. Space City

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    you're not a superstar if you can't lead a team to the playoffs.

    people who say kevin love was a superstar clearly didn't watch the wolves during those love years.

    the timberwolves were one of my league pass teams because they were an interesting story and had potential.

    kevin love struggled to create his shot at times, got muscled way too many times in the post, and was consistently a GHOST in 4th quarters, not to mention he was one of the WORST defenders at his position.



    stop looking at numbers and actually watch games.
     
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    Yeah @hakeemthagreat. Love was never a superstar
     
  11. RESINator

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    Kevin love is and was never a superstar. Superstars elevate their teams individually. Did he do that with Minnesota? Nope. He was just a trash stat buildrr
     
  12. bevo202

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    MVP is a regular season award, LeBron smartly coast in the regular season because he knows postseason is all that matters , he still the best player in the league
     
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    LOL at the posters who think Harden is better than Lebron James.
     
  14. francis 4 prez

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    uhh, ok

    lebron took the shot before and after that play. kyrie is a better clutch iso guy than anyone jordan played with. should lebron just take every shot?

    i think phoenix just straight up trapped.

    and george hill got 2 ft's because draymond green was starting at lebron with the ball and lebron found him open. lebron would probably like it if george hill could make free throws like paxson could make 3's.

    and there's the game-winner against indy. the game winner against toronto. the other game winner against indy. the game winner against the bulls. the clincher against the spurs. the highest scoring average in both game 7's and elimination games ever.
     
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    Obviously you are pretty ignorant and don't realize the advances in training and technology since 20 yrs ago. How many Olympic records made 20 yrs ago are still standing today?

    The average player 20 yrs ago wouldn't even make the Euroleague today. Maybe he can play in the China league.
     
  16. Shroopy2

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    This is easy. Either your organization is good at getting talent. Or you go TO that talent.

    Who says you have to stay bound to your front office your entire playing life? If your front office is NOT good, and CHAMPIONSHIPS is your aim, then you dont have to stay and rot. Singular talent alone can only do so much. There has never been such thing as "Throw ANYBODY out there, I'll win it all with ANYONE".

    The Sixers won a title in the 80s between Celtics & Lakers ... once they got MVP Moses Malone (in salary dump trade, but still). Why didnt Dr J already win it ALL HIMSELF if he was "so good"? Moses Malone took a weak team to Finals against Celtics & got smoked. He JOINED a talented team then won it all. It was the ONLY way he could have won
     
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  17. francis 4 prez

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    apparently a decent number from women's track because there was so much doping. in the last olympics, i remember the women's 4x400, the americans won going away, and then they flashed the world record and the americans weren't even close. the record was from 1988. a runaway victory in 2016 wasn't even close to 1988. and i would make fun of it being the soviet union that had the record, but america only finished a few tenths back in 1988.
     
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    IIRC Usain Bolt broke a ton of sprinting records in the Olympics. If he competed in the women's division he would crush those too.
     
  19. hakeemthagreat

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    A player who puts up 26pts & 12reb isn't a superstar because the organization he plays for? That's just shallow and baseless. I watched the Wolves and they've pretty much always sucked as a organization. Kevin Love is a superstar, just like Bosh was before he sacrificed his game playing with Lebron. We're talking about a bigman who can score in the post, hit 3's & rebound at a elite level. Maybe he doesn't like playing with Lebron
     
  20. Mr. Space City

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    It doesn't matter what organization he plays for. A superstar leads his team to the payoffs no matter what organization he plays for.

    We're not talking about leading a team to a championship.

    We're not talking about leading a team to the finals.

    We're not even talking about leading a team to the conference finals.

    We're talking about just leading a team to the PLAYOFFS.

    You're watering down what a superstar is. Love was a star or an all-star but a SUPERSTAR can get his team to an 8th seed no matter who is around him because they're that dominate night in and night out.

    If you put up "26/12" and your team barely wins 40 games it tells me your numbers are fraudulent and there is something going on because your numbers aren't making the impact they're supposed to make.

    That's boxscore watching instead of watching the games. That's like people who said Westbrook was the best player in the league because OMG TRIPLE DOUBLES, stead of watching the games and seeing he shot like ****, had his teammates give him rebounds, and him not playing defense to get those rebounds.

    When I watched Love play he was TRASH defensively (I posted stats to back that up) and was a GHOST in 4th quarters, which is why his team didn't win more. THAT'S NOT A SUPERSTAR.

    The word superstar has more weight to me. I don't just throw it around for anybody.

    And don't even bring up Lebron. I said Love was overrated before he was even on the Cavs.
     
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