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[Not Me To] Morgan Freeman Demands Retraction on CNN Sexual Harrassment Story

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  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...rts/television/morgan-freeman-lawyer.amp.html

    If anyone has seen the alleged harrassment, it's pretty ridiculous. There are two alleged incidents that are interviews on tape and the accusations are pretty ridiculous.

    One reporter says she didn't feel like he was harrassing her and the other in which was Freeman being interviewed with two others, Freeman says the comment wasn't directed at the accuser, it's pretty clear it wasn't.

    It's ridiculous how the media is running with these allegations without vetting them.

    Dude lost the Visa endorsement over this
     
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    Not following it all that closely. I heard one of the allegations was he lifted a woman's skirt? Was that corroborated?

    And habitually making sexualized comments about women's figures, as reported, is obviously not cool either. Someone (not necessarily the women subjected to it) should have stood up to him long ago rather than just put up with it.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I just watched the taped comments on ABC Good Morning America. The comment where he says he isn't talking to the accuser (he is with Michael Caine) he clearly seems to be responding to Caine as he claims and therefore it's totally taken out of context.

    The other comment is tame and the woman whom is supposed to be the victim has no problem.

    Edit: if the taped comments are questionable, at what point is everything questionable

    Not to be corny but this is America. At some point we need proof. I understand sexual harrassment is tough to prove but in this case the proof is suspect AT BEST
     
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    while PGabriel provides generalities upon generalities, the CNN report provides specific details
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/24/entertainment/morgan-freeman-accusations/index.html

    Freeman "kept trying to lift up my skirt and asking if I was wearing underwear." He never successfully lifted her skirt, -- he would touch it and try to lift it, she would move away, and then he'd try again. "Alan [Arkin], the co-star, made a comment telling him to stop.

    Freeman sexually harassed her and her female assistant on numerous occasions by making comments about their bodies.
    "He did comment on our bodies... We knew that if he was coming by ... not to wear any top that would show our breasts, not to wear anything that would show our bottoms, meaning not wearing clothes that [were] fitted,"​
     
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    *Not condoning harrassment*

    Isn't it kind of silly to say, I'd we didn't want to harassed we didn't show our breasts or bottoms.

    Some of these accusations just sound like awkward encounters which are gonna happen with men and women working with each other.

    I think most will agree that there was nothing offensive from Freeman in the interviews. I think he is smart enough not to sexually harass someone on tape

    Edit:

    I wrote about what I saw. You guys who criticize posts cause they aren't like term papers can do your own research
     
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    The interview with Michael Caine
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I read that as them not wearing tops similar to this:

    Screen Shot 2018-05-30 at 11.48.48 AM.jpg
     
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    Of course that's what they mean, the tops are still meant for you to see cleavage.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Do you consider a top like that as ‘showing breasts’?
     
  10. pgabriel

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    Don't start with the stupid questions. It's cleavage and some places avoid confusion by not allowing women to dress like that.

    That being said, all I was saying is that it sounded awkward
     
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    @bobrek

    That's a lot of breasts. Just no nipples

    Why didn't I get a Christmas card
    Costanza
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    How is that a stupid question? You said "Isn't it kind of silly to say, I'd we didn't want to harassed we didn't show our breasts or bottoms.". When I posted a picture you said "of course that's what they mean".

    There is a huge difference in showing one's breasts and showing cleavage similar to the picture I posted.

    And to your point, aside from the middle East and places like St. Peter's in Rome, where in America would a woman not be allowed to enter an establishment wearing a top similar to the one I posted?
     
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    There you go again.
     
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    I'm not familiar with those. I did read a number of things about stuff within his company. It sounds like workplace sexual harassment that created a toxic work atmosphere and, because he's the boss, there was no effective policy and/or enforcement. Without enforcement, the women must resort instead to lawsuits against the company and/or embarrassing stories in the newspapers. I think as a public, we have a bit of a hard time calibrating how bad a thing is when an accusation like this comes out especially while #metoo is in the ascendancy. This is not Weinstein-bad. But, it's not nothing either. And Freeman brought this on to himself by (1) not being a gentleman, (2) not being a professional, (3) not having the HR governance in place to give his employees a mechanism to get grievances addressed, and (4) creating a work culture in which his misbehaviors are abetted ("that's just Morgan being Morgan, haha."). Shame on him for running a toxic workplace. It doesn't seem to me to be a terrible injustice that it comes home to roost.
     
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    We're not in the middle East

    I know they weren't showing up to work topless
    I understand what they meant as far as actual clothes it was still an awkward quote.

    Why are you focusing on it. You shouldn't need specifics to know I don't think women show up to work topless. A waste of both of our precious minutes given by our maker.

    Does a woman want you to look at her breasts when she dresses like that? Should that top be allowed in any workplace?

    Edit: dress code depends on job

    One more thing on the questions. I answered the first question. Then you ask another question.

    Next time get to your point.
     
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    I started this thread having only seen the stuff in the interviews. I'll agree that the CNN report on the stuff on movie sets and at the production are bad but like you say not Weinstein bad, he didn't force anyone to sleep with him.

    It's hard to question an accusation where there seems to be a pattern. That being said I tend to look more closely at accusations like"so and so tried to lift my skirt", especially when there isn't a pattern of something like that.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So....an answer to one question can't lead to further questions? Got it...adding it to my old man rules. One question only. Once it's answered, regardless of the answer, no more questions. (added as old man rule #5). Good thing I have Notes on my MacBook. Easy to add stuff like this. I will make sure I refer to it every time I post to make sure I don't forget.
     
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    It was basically the same question. I apologize for calling it stupid, you asked twice about the blouse

    Edit. It wasn't two questions. I just thought it was obvious what I thought from the first comment on the blouse.
     
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    I agree that his "Boy do I wish I was there" comment seems pretty obvious to be a reply to Caine.

    His comments to the other interviewer in that clip talking about her having "magic written all over her" is a bit inappropriate though. Doesn't seem THAT bad though.
     

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